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Victor Super Waves 37

Discussion in 'Badminton Rackets / Equipment' started by Sealman, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. Naim.F.C

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    If I remember correctly, the world record for a smash is with the Yonex Arcsaber Z Slash. Which is stiff and head heavy. I don't know why you even brought up those other players. Lee Yong Dae uses the BS09 yes, but he's the tactician in the doubles team. The smasher is Jung Jae Sung and he uses the SW35. Which sort of backs the notion that head heavy stiff rackets are more ideal for power or smashes. That's not to say he has a better smash BECAUSE of the SW35, but that because he's a power player he's more suited to the SW35, which promotes power play.

    There's less of a draw for doubles players to use such power rackets though, as you usually sacrifice some speed. These days singles players tend to favour head heavy stiff rackets.
     
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    Does F = MA still, or is there some new special Physics that only applies to badminton?

    I've seen it time and time again - it's racket speed that makes the most difference to the speed of the smash, not mass. The mass in the racket head, between a heavy head and a light head would be lucky to be 5 grams - nigh on insignificant.

    All of this is academic of course, because you can generate as much racket speed as you like, but if you don't have fitness, timing, placement and tactics, you're not going to win.

    It's all about finding a nice balance that fits in with your style of play and your physiology.
     
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    Have you owned one? It's even balanced and medium stiff.
     
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    Actually out of all those, JJS and FHF have the most consistently meatiest smashes. Likely sw35 helps. What does FHF use now? N50 iirc. But have you seen the size of their forearms?

    When you test out our hypothesis, make sure you ask your opponent/ partner to rate the power of your smashes.
     
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    Did you just contradict yourself?

    Both mass and speed are important!

    If you've ever tried using a 4U headlight racket with tons of speed but less mass, you'll find that your smashes don't penetrate as well. Likewise using a head heavy 2U, lots of mass but not much speed.

    Oh, and don't discount a measly 5g wt differential: it may not seem a lot, but that's how much a shuttle weighs!
     
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    Yonex has it rated at stiff with a BP of 290mm. I fail to see how that is even balanced and medium stiff.

    All I can say is that from personal experience, head heavier, stiffer rackets have certainly generated more power for me personally. And that's not something I concocted in my head. Something noted by my opponents as well. If it was just about speed, my BS10 would offer more power than my MX80, but as it happens it's the other way around.

    But as mentioned, it's all personal to the player. Not everyone is going to get more power out of a stiffer or head heavier racket.
     
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    guys mass and speed are both important
    FYI my SW35 total weight is 94.9 grams while my SW37 is 96.2 grams
     
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    I never said mass wasn't important, I said the differential in SPEED is more broad and therefore it's MORE of a factor.
     
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    totally agree on this !!!
     
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    Well, as someone whose owned one and played with one, I can tell you unequivocally it's not particularly head heavy, nor particularly stiff.

    Are you always this annoying and ill informed? :)
     
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    Which can't be stressed enough ;). Like someone is going for a MX80 in the recommendations thread because he is a self-proclaimed aggressive smasher mostly playing the back of the court which means absolutely nothing really about your own skills or power just your mentallity ... He liked the Armortec Tour quite a lot which = Armortec 600 (flexible, moderate headheavy) and for being the latest "greatest" going for MX80 :p.

    290mm bp is even balance and pretty much all short-handled Yonex's are less stiff than rated because of their longer shaft (like a Z-Slash and AT700) with possibly an exception for the Ti-10 post-I generations which are more like 285-290 bp and stiff-extra stiff; but perhaps they are rated stiff and extra stiff respectively and in practice a little less indeed).
     
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    Ah but you don't realize both are just as important.

    Or have you conveniently overlooked my original post above re 4U head light rackets? You can generate lots of speed with them, but the smashes won't be as fast because there is less mass.

    Btw if F=ma as you state, then how is a difference in speed a greater effect than a proportional difference in mass. It is a directly linear relationship.
     
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    it's not just about speed nor it is just about the mass
    it's either both ! it's accelerate enough mass to the highest speed
     
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    Aargh!
    Why does understanding badminton equipment have to be so complex?
    I'm sure the racket manufacturers/companies are having a jolly good time every year coming out with the newest improved rackets for us to buy! :p
     
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    [​IMG]

    (yay: another thread derailed :cool:)
     
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    i'm having a good time here this badminton talk is quite entertaining and amusing and it last longer than the actual match on court and it's very much less tiring hahaha LOL
     
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    Very good one! :thumbsup

    So this equation is more appropriate than F=ma.
    Thus speed has a greater effect on kinetic energy than mass.
     
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    • so what that tells you ?
    • head heavy = bigger mass
    • conclusion : head heavy racket does not always provide greater power or higher shuttle speed
    • now it's only stiffness left to study
     
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    well, reality is not so straightforward

    4u headlight rackets have great speed, but horribly slow smashes
     
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    Which probably means (most) humans can't swing it fast enough :D (or don't because it swings so easy already)
     

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