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VIDEO: what's wrong with this smash?

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by kwun, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. kwun

    kwun Administrator

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    but there seems to decent pronation. maybe i will take a video of him from the front next time.
     
  2. kwun

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    he was trying the hardest! maybe the major weakness is he is weak?

    the sound is ok. but it sounds much better on the recording than on real life. the interpretation via the microphone is a bit deceiving.

    the biggest issue is that the smash don't have the explosiveness that a proper smash should.
     
  3. kwun

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    guys, this is a serious question. :)

    while overall most things looks ok, but the power delivery is just not there. the positioning/contact can be improve, i also notice comparing to the pro video is that the pro has a much more pronounced forearm movement and much more exaggerated pronation.

    the overall posture just look awkward!

    next time i will video from the front and see if that reveals anything.
     
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    He needs to get a VTZF and fer shure he's gonna smash with 19kgf power! ;)
     
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    Oh that's brilliant =p visor, you got a huge chuckle out of me on that =p!

    But yeah Kwun, I agree with the others here in that it really seems to be the contact point most of the time.

    In addition to taking the shuttle right above him, that doesn't allow him to put his body weight behind the shuttle during his body rotation. Otherwise his form seems to be pretty good.
     
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    I am no coach, but I'd like to point out something related to the contact point and awkward posture already mentioned.

    Overall, I'd say his general attitude is wrong, even though the technique aspect is right : his body is too high and his upper body unbalanced and bent forward as he smashes.
    Probably a side effect of trying too hard to reach upwards and hitting at the highest point possible.

    I'd advise him to try and keep a more "compact" stance, by linking all his movements together and lowering his center of gravity. SYnchronize lower and upper body, using dynamic movement.


    Stay low throughout your shot as you step into it, maybe it will put some pieces of the puzzle together as it did for me.

    Hope i'm clear and not saying too much crap :) Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  7. kwun

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    thanks. i do see that there is something wrong with the footwork and preparation, but unable to pinpoint exactly what it is.
     
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    :D

    this guy probably have more racket and strings than most people in this forum... ;) but i think the problem is elsewhere...
     
  9. OhSearsTower

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    i think his fault is to not own a VT80 or zslash


    edit: guess i was too late
     
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    I know it is a serious question, but there is not much to improve for him unless he is competing internationally. The impact point is between 12.30 to 1 o'clock which is generally good/decent and maybe there is a slight slice on the impact. Maybe off by a few degrees but still acceptable because only the pros have 90-95% consistency in power delivery to the shuttlecock.

    For him to improve his smashing he should hire a GOOD professional coach and get advice. Whereas my advice is not to worry about the power of his smash, it is accuracy and placement (direction n angle) that matters more in today's games. Sometimes smashes are played to create openings, not necessarily the kill shot. In doubles, often the smashes are followed by front player intercepting the returns.

    Kwun, why won't you answer my question on WHO is the guy? ;)
     
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    See, this guy owns a lot of badminton equipment. Only true badminton lover owns equipments like that ,like our admin boss KWUN.
     
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    Ok, Ok. Just my 2cents.

    Coach Lee Jae Bok said that it does not have to be at it's highest point at impact, it is better to be a little lower (thus at 1 o'clock position). Also, raise yr elbow a little bit and point it directly opposite the direction of the smash. See his video on power smashing on youtube. :)

    I am also learning how to smash harder. Many people says my smashes are often too weak or too flat.
     
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    Why? Why doesn't matter because there's no need. Panda will take this "guy" because he has skill and bet they can beat over 80% of the members on this Board. :)...:p...:D

    :eek:
     
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    You will notice a significant improvement in power if you keep your arm "folded in" for a longer period of time before extending your forearm (that is, keep the angle formed between forearm and upper arm small as you "lick your elbow"). Basically, you need to give your forearm more distance to extend so that it can achieve a greater speed.

    Try this exercise: Cover your ear with your palm, point your elbow back, then bring your elbow forward as you try to lick it. Now that your elbow is in front of you, continue the momentum and imagine karate chopping a brick with your elbow. This downward pulling of the elbow has some power too. The instant you feel you are able to pull your elbow downwards in a chopping motion, start extending your forearm.

    Your technique has improved significantly from before, and you can see that people are commenting on the "effortlessness" of the swing. This is good. At a certain point, to achieve more power you need to strengthen your entire body and work on arm explosiveness in a similar manner that you would do squat jumps for leg explosiveness.

    Some of the other points mentioned in this thread hold true as well, but you'll feel a bigger difference if you try out what I just mentioned. One thing at a time :)
     
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    Everything seems good. Maybe it's not quite April yet?
     
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    Interesting with the "elbow karate chop." Although I won't be back on court until friday, I'll have to try that out. Just swinging my arm alone without a racket though using the motion you just mentioned, I can definitely feel more explosiveness in my swing. Nice analogy, made it really easy to understand and replicate.

    edit: In contrast to what I was doing before, I think extending the forearm too early led to too much power being diffused through the entire stroke rather than focusing all the power into one point like you're supposed to.
     
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    but it looks like he's smashing during warm-up with 70%... i think your right: his major weakness ist that he's weak! his whole attitude, how he walks and moves somehow lacks power, explosiveness. don't know if it's a mental or physical thing. is he quick and explosive concerning his footwork and other strokes (net kill? can he aggressively jump in the shuttle when having the opportunity?)?

    so i, as his coach, would:
    a) let him work on his physical abilities! jumps, sprints, barbell training. explisiveness!!
    b) work on mental issues. aggressiveness and awareness is part of the game when it comes to smashing. he doesn't seem to be aggressive at all, seems more like he doesn't want to hurt the shuttle...;)

    his technique is more or less ok (a bit more hip rotation would be good imo), but i have seen people smashing much harder with worse technique...
     
  19. icecoldcoke

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    I myself struggle to play badminton correctly...

    But from what i see, i feel that his is not relax enough hitting the stroke.
    And I think he isn't using his wrist enough.

    Just my opinion..
     
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    Maybe.....

    kan it be that the
    wind resistance from the long pants making it
    useless to move around
    never mind about smashing......my 2 bits :eek:
     

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