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VIVO BWF SUDIRMAN Cup 2015 : Day 2 - Group Stage Matches (11th May 2015)

Discussion in 'Sudirman Cup 2015' started by CLELY, May 10, 2015.

  1. 2cents

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    Plus, Jwala has the vision, the wisdom, and the greatest expertise in the whole team of India, no body else can match.
     
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    although having said that Jwala has the power, vision, wisdom and expertise, but still not enough to challenge the best pair from Korea, unless Koreans collapse themselves.

    Many times, Korean team had set a goal before the events to achieve. Some times, they didn't set the goal, then they were very easy to defeat in those events. Korean's ultimate goals are all set for the Olympics.

    If Koreans don't have specific goal in this Sudiman cup, India, including Jwala could win this time.
     
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    Malaysia's success were expected. They had lost too many for the past year, including the SSP in their home court.

    With the prompt return of Lee CW, Malaysians are eager to prove to the whole world, and they did very well !
     
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    Malaysia's success was largely due to the crucial, and unexpected, MD win over the Korean. The other results are more or less expected.
     
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    True. MD win was kind of unexpected. But I don't have much confidence on Lee/Yoo either. They choked many times too.

    Anyhow, I expected that Malaysia will have an unexpected miracle run. Besides MD, Malaysia WD lost the first game by just 20:22. Malaysia had chances in multiple events.
     
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    in these 3-2, probability prevails. it is not rare to see upset.

    as compared to the Chinese way, most matches are 5-0 / 4-1. larger margin for error and only once in many years do we see an improbable event.
     
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    I second that. The standard deviation is about +1 or -1 match. Therefore, 3-2 and 2-3 do not have significant difference statistically, although it totally changed the winner and loser.

    While 4-1 with 1 match error margin, could end up with either 3-2 or 5-0, doesn't change the winner.
     
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    Other than the Chinese team, no other team can send out five strong representatives to a tie. Consequently, there are many uneven match-ups with highly predictable results. Therefore, the final outcome of a tie often depends on just one or two matches. In KOR vs MAS, that was the MD match. In IND vs MAS, that would be the MS and WD matches.

    For the Chinese team, it is not necessarily a cakewalk either. Winner two matches is the same as winning no matches. But when playing China, there is usually no freebie and it would take a combination of upsets and winning even match-ups to win.
     
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    [TABLE="width: 448"]
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    In this highly simplified illustration, the first column is the probability of winning a match and top row is the number of wins in a 5-match tie.

    Obviously, the probability of winning is different in different matches and they are not really independent trials. But it's fun.
     
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    nice.

    i am on row number 1.
     
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    Many spurious relationships in statistics (such as a team is stronger than another team, or a player is better than another player), come from the confounding factors, which are not controlled well during competitions.
     
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    agree. there isn't enough sampling to be statistically sound anyway. much of these, to quote a Chinese proverb, is "strategizing on paper" in order to satisfy our badminton fanatical needs.
     
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    For reference, BAM's performance standard for players in their prime years is 75% winning ratio. But, as admitted by Frost, not even top 10 player can necessarily do that. Somewhere at the 4th minute or so in the following program.

    [video=youtube;8srwKN1rKH4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srwKN1rKH4&index=4&list=PLA7ZcagI0frBYjkh TY6X7oQRTNWUrtVJR[/video]
     
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    75%!!

    even for Chinese players, i don't think they can can approach that.
     
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    For CHN WS numbers:

    Li XR: 227-45=83.4%
    Wang SX: 226-67=77.1%
    Wang YH: 316-74=81.0%
    Sun Yu: 77-24=76%

    and ROW:
    Saina: 293-123=70.4%
    Carolina Marin: 194/257=75.4%
    Tai TY: 163-96=62.9%
    Ratchanok: 194/288=67.4%
    Sung JH: 199-105=65.4%
    Nozomi Okuhara: 112-37=75.2%

    So 75% is perhaps difficult but doable :D :D :D
     
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    There was one squash player from pakistan Jehangir khan the biggest sports person won 555 matches on the trot and was undefeated for whole 6 years . No one in the entire sporting history or decades to come can do that.
     
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    closest i know from badminton is Ge Fei and Gu Jun who won the 1996 and 2000 Olympics, and was undefeated in the 4 years between.
     

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