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VTZF 3U, VTZF 4U, AT700 4U Mk2, AT700 4U Premium 2012 comparison

Discussion in 'Racket Recommendation / Comparison' started by sslam72, May 17, 2012.

  1. sslam72

    sslam72 Regular Member

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    INTRO
    Ok, so the new toys have arrived and they have been sent off to my stringer Gefen Sports. For the sake of being fair, one of each will be restrung with a fresh set of BG80 strings @26lbs. And as usual, all my racquets have my favoured G5 grip and are the SP versions.

    They'll return in time for a session on Tuesday 22nd May where I'll put them into action.

    So before I get anyone's hopes up too high, this is just a preliminary commentary on what I have seen before me.

    As some of you will already know, I've been playing with the AT700 4U for many years and moved from the Mk1 to the Mk2. As the stocks of the Mk2 4U ran dry, and I only have two left I decided to try some new bats during the off-season summer league to see if I could find a new AT700.

    From my other post, I was misled to believe that the VTZF 4U was the new most head heavy racquet on the block that was comparable with the AT700 4U.
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...-Force-4U-G5-vs-Armortec-700-4U-G5-comparison

    However, as my review showed, that was not the case as the VTZF 4U is much more head light than the AT700 4U. That wasn't a bad thing as I've been sporting a few injuries, and the VTZF 4U really is a delightful racquet to play with.

    I still can't help feeling the VTZF 4U could be another half inch or so longer in order to suit my game, and perhaps this is where the 3U version comes onto the scene?

    Out of curiosity, I needed to see how the VTZF 3U compared, and then out of the blue the AT700 Pre12 arrived, with thanks to an old friend in HK, and courtesy of Mister Keen Sports Goods in Aberdeen, HK. If I'd been on the ball, I could have received these two weeks ago.

    I'm sorry to disappoint, but I've decided against an in depth comparison with the original AT700 4U against the Mk2 and the Pre12 as:
    1) I already know the Mk2 is the same weight as the Mk1, but
    2) the weight distribution is more head oriented with the Mk2, and as such the head feels slightly more solid
    3) The shafts are the same stiffness
    4) Handle length is the same
    5) You just need to have a stronger wrist and more accomplished technique to master the AT700 Mk2.
    6) So few people here will remember how the AT700 Mk1 plays anyhow
    7) You can't get the AT700 Mk1 any more in mainstream shops

    QUICK INSPECTION
    As expected the VTZF 3U looks identical to the 4U, but the extra 6grammes of weight has been added to the top half of the racquet, with 88g vs 82g respectively. The string patterns are of course the same too.

    The AT700 Mk2 and Pre12 also weigh slightly differently 82g and 83g respectively, but this could just be my scales are rounding up/down.

    I shall check again once the strings are all in, but there is one minor point to be aware of. The AT700mk2 utilises the 22 x 22 string pattern, whereas the newer Pre12 looks like it's 22 x 21, just like the VTZF pair. The pre12 grommets are also smaller than the original wide tops on the Mk2 and more akin to those on the ZF.

    As such, will this minor difference affect any outcome?

    I originally looked at images of the Pre12 and thought that the head was very different, but in reality, they are the same. Once they are strung up the head shapes can be compared more accurately.

    I won't speculate too much, and I don't know if the marketing execs are just spinning some excitement and getting the juices flowing for those "bat collectors" out there, but the shaft decals don't hint that there are some changes to the AT700 beneath the bonnet, as the Mk2 had Ultimum Ti technology already.

    On the Mk2 it reads:
    Ultra light weight / Head heavy balance / High modulus graphite

    Whereas, the Pre12 says:
    Ultra light weight / Head heavy balance / Ultimum Titanium + High modulus graphite

    My heart hopes the Pre12 is just a jazzed up version of the of the Mk2, as the head heavy balance was what made it appeal to my game when it was at its best.

    If I had to be uber-critical, the things I would like Yonex to improve on AT700 Mk2 would be:
    1) To get the same rifle-like "pow" sound that they have achieved with the Voltric VTZF
    2) To be slightly more manouverable and aerodynamic, so I can achieve a slightly faster head speed on my smash but still feel the weight of the head
    3) To have an even harder, stiffer feeling head so I can get more shuttle feedback on the strings

    Perhaps, 22 x 21 pattern string design enables some of this to be realised and spares overall head weight by saving a magical 8 - 9 inches of string?

    You and I will know more by Tuesday 22nd.
     
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  2. clawhammers

    clawhammers Regular Member

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    cant hardly wait until tuesday :)

    thank you sslam!
     
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    Licin Regular Member

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    I am looking forward to it, sslam72
     
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    You sound like a long term AT700 MK2 user and I can already tell you that there is no replacement for it. What you're essentially looking for is an improved version of the AT700 with more power, more manuverability, faster speeds, yet has the same head weight and feel. Luckily for you, such a racket exists and it's the Li Ning N90 version 1. The ZF is an awesome racket and you'll like it as well, but it will definately feel lighter and faster than the AT700 even in 3U.
     
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    You are a big fan of N90 1st gen Optiblue :). Last night i have already tried N90 1st gen, yes it is head heavy, with the weight distributed around the head & T-Joint. To my surprise it reacts faster in defense than my 900P which is strange since in my opinion N90 head is heavier than 900P but not too far. I also notice that according to you 900P heaviness in head does not come close to N90, maybe i just have a 900P outlier.
     
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    Although I don't own one, I did try the N90 Mk1 when it first came out, but it felt identical to the AT700 Mk1 3U, which is not the feel I'm looking for.

    I'm prepared to try it again if I have time and perhaps I'll compare the the Mk1 and Mk2, but my main issue is that the grips do not come in the equivalent of the Yonex G5 size, and I hate replacing handles as there's no guarantee of perfect alignment.
     
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    Any update on this? I'm seriously considering getting a Voltric Z-Force (3U), and also thinking about getting the latest version of the AT700 (3U). I think I will always go with 3U unless someone manages to convince me otherwise. It's just more fun to have a heavier racket to attack with. I still have decent defense against big smashes anyway. Also, I really like singles - you don't have to depend on your partner!

    At the end of the day, for the doubles game, unless you have a regular partner and you both have good understanding of (each other's) positioning etc, the apparent advantages of the 4U racket are absolutely meaningless. Furthermore, most people posting here are simply playing for exercise/fun (and are not professionals), and therefore it's very unlikely that they have such "regular partners".
     
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    Apologies. the last three hours of work I've put into my new post has just been lost thanks to IE9 having a problem with this site when a "token" expired
     
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    sslam72 Regular Member

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    If anyone knows whether Badmintoncentral can restore anything from the Auto save feature it would be helpful.

    I can't seem to find anything in my temporary internet files folder, so I will start all over again tomorrow.
     
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    ^^ I empathize with you. :(. Had this happen to me a few times in the past, so now I always right click, select all and copy as I compose... especially if it's a long post.
     
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    I am really sorry to hear that... I have also experienced similar thing previously, however, when i about to re post again, there is a dialogue box in BC that state " Restore Auto Save Content " i just click it & it will restore the content..
     
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    Sorry to hear that sslam72.

    By the way, this is off topic, but have you looked at the VT80?
     
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    Interesting thread. Any updates?ThanksHugh
     
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    clawhammers Regular Member

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    @Mr. Sslam72

    (if you read this)

    Hopefully you'd spare some time for updating this nice thread :D
     

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