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Which is more important? World ranking or SS ranking?

Discussion in 'Professional Players' started by alfa-2, Mar 25, 2007.

  1. alfa-2

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    Which is more important? World ranking or SS ranking? why WC is not based on SS ranking which I think is fairer to the young players or players who come back after injury like WCH or PG.

    Another thing is that World Ranking points will not be renewed every year.......unlike SS which is based on recent achieved points, not ranking points that you earned 2 years ago.....

    Just look at KKK/TBH, they are currently almost unbeatable (after winning lots of recent tournaments), but their ranking is 10th. Players like CTF/LWW still has better ranking than them and LCW is still within the top 5. Not that im against LWW/CTF or LCW, but isnt ranking system used to determine how good the players are NOW rather than YEARS BEFORE so that it can used as a reference?

    They should abolish the old ranking system and adapt the new ones which is SS ranking system, just like F1......and maybe have constructor's ranking which is countries' ranking......BWF is searching ways to promote badminton to the global community, why not just refer to the best participated sports in the world - F1.
     
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    what is WCH's world ranking now?
     
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    Hope that Sigit can manage to get enough points to play in WC. He's one of my most favourite MD player. One of the most entertaining one as well.....
     
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    The standard ranking includes points won from super series as well I think.

    Once more super series events are played, then it will become more realistic to the standard ranking. At the moment SS points show the "form" players, as only ranked from January to now. Standard ranking takes the 12 months ranking.

    If WC decided on SS rankings alone, lesser ranked players would never have a chance as SS is invitiational based on Top 32 players, and 32 Qualifiers.
     
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    the super series ranking points is a much more specific way to telling the standard of players.
     
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    the old ranking system in a way prevent a lot of cases where several players having the exact same ranking points if previous points are to be erased every year.

    For example, 1st tournament of the year... at least 2 people will have the same amount of points as 3rd and 4th(semi-finalist), 4 people with the same points(qf'ist)... etc.

    2nd tournament... if result are similar with slight changes, there is still a good chance that a few of those guys can still end up with the same points.

    This old ranking system does have flaws, and if it was working properly, LCW would have not had his #1 spot for those 3 months just because LD only earned his points from 9 tournaments while LCW played 10.:p They literally destroyed the possibly longest #1 ranking streak in badminton history with some stupid changes.:eek:
     
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    bananaman.....that's the point. If in both tournaments, it is perfectly correct that 2 players who end up in SF will have the same World Ranking points. It keeps the sport at a very competitive level. A new year or season also means a new start.......

    I mean isnt it a bit weird if to see Michael Schumacher is still in the top 5 ranking of F1 drivers coz he managed to get so many points before??? What will happen if Manchester United can collect points from last season's win to aid their points at this season. Weird right?
     
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    im sure if they change the ranking system, TH will certainly play in more tournaments coz based on the current tanking system, TH will be hard to get back to the top, so he maybe thinking that since getting to the top is almost impossible, might as well play those important tournaments only.......

    SS ranking is the fairest to every good and consistent player......
     
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    World ranking is for all (ranking) tournaments, including SS, Olympics, WC, for the past 52 weeks (generally speaking).

    SS ranking is only for SS tournaments, and its main purpose is to determine the qualifers for the SS Finals.
     
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    So what do you propose? Change the limit to 9?
     
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    Differences:
    1. WR is for all ranking tournaments. SSR is only for SS tournaments.
    2. WR is for past 52 weeks (generally). SSR totals up during the year and cleans the slate at start of the next year.

    If you want to clean the slate at the beginning of the year, how are you going to seed?
     
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    the 1st tournament seding will be based on the last yrs ranking. On the 2nd tournament onwards, seeding will be based on the new ranking that is achieved from the 1st one. What im suggesting here is that the world ranking points should be erased every year and renewed like SS ranking system.
     
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    Is it fair to judge a person's ranking based on just one tournament? I would think judging him for the past one year would be fairer.

    What if the first tournament of the year is some second-rated tournament where most top players will give a miss? Not all tournaments are SS tournaments.
     
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    1st tournament = SS tournament.....if the world ranking system is that good and fair, why SS ranking system is created???
     
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    if it is not fair to judge a person's ranking based on just one tournament......how about football where they renew their league points every season???

    If you are good, and want to be on top, you have to be consistent.

    If it is based on the past records, Chelsea i believe should be on top of Man United still.
     
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    SS ranking was created in conjunction with the creation of the SS tournaments. It is to market the Super Series as a stand-out feature.

    It is similar to the Masters Series in tennis. They also have Masters Series ranking and the usual World Ranking.
     
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    You misunderstood my question........what i meant was if the current world ranking system is good and fair, why they create the SS ranking using a new system insead of just following the old one. Think.....
     
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    I know what is SS ranking for and know what is Master Series. Just look at the title of the thread again....which is more important (efficient and fair)??? SS ranking or world ranking???
     
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    If badminton utilises a round-robin format (where everyone plays everyone else), then we do not need to seed people. Who cares who you meet in the first round if sooner or later you are going to play him anyway?

    However, when seeding is neccessary, for instance the Champions League group stage seeding, then club results for the past 5 years (I think) are used.

    In a knockout tournament, seeding is definitely neccesary.
     
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    They are both important, but the importance of SS ranking is restricted to the SS events only (and its purpose is only to determine qualifiers to the SS Finals), whereas the WR encompasses everything.
     

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