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Who is the trick master???

Discussion in 'Professional Players' started by Wong8Egg, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. xXazn_romeoXx

    xXazn_romeoXx Regular Member

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    i believe Xia's strokes were deceptive, not so much that he had deceptive trick shots that won points just like that...where as Chen Hong, could win points just like that with a trick shot ;):p:D
     
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    I think Hendrawan is the master so far..:p
     
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    Taufik isnt even deceptive. He's just good at playing.
     
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    Every player has a few tricky deceptive shots. But overall, the master has to be Hendrawan. Others aren't even close.
     
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    can anyone post HEndrawan's trick shot at youtube?
     
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    i realize that. but this thread is called the "trick master"...and it looks like a trick shot to me :D;) you don't mean to tell me that even taufik or sigit put their rackets around the back or between the legs and know that it will contact the bird, or rather that they're accident shots? chen hong saw the bird, willed it over the net; thus, trick shot :p if shots are suppose to be deceptive, i hope we won't see much of taufik shots because they're more trick than deceptive (notice i realize there are some). deceptive would mean the shots have fooled the opponent into something else, and it is an instant point.
     
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    What is the definition of Deception and Trick?
     
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    ya, actually, that's what i wanna know too...but i think it varies among everyone =\
     
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    i think trick n deceptive is the same
    isn't we use trick shot to deceive our opp? :cool:
     
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    actually that's a good question. To my mind, if you hit the shuttle from between your legs--that's a 'trick' shot. It tends to be something you do in desperation. But deception--that's something you do when you have time to choose a shot. There are all kinds--from making all one's overhead shots (drops, clears, smashes) look the same, to the gade-esque net shots. These all rely on deceiving the opponent into thinking you are going to do a particular action by following the usual motions, then at the last minute doing something different.

    I don't quite like this definition, but I'm thinking of gillian clark's comments on the sigit-chandra v gunawan-hadiyanto game when she talked of sigit and gunawan doing 'trick shots', referring to sigit's taking the shuttle between the legs and gunawan taking shots behind him. But to me these shots are only 'tricks' because they're rarely seen, and they're desperate. They don't really 'trick' the opponent, they are carnival actions.
     
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    i know ehhh :cool: you don't take the shuttle much more later than that....EVER!:D;):p...i've been trying this shot out, but so far, no luck :mad: i realize how much hand eye coordination and balance he has to hit a shot like that lol
     
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    tricks and deceptive shots are the same. it has the same purpose to decieve the player into something than it really is. shots like pulling back to decieve a drop or last minute wrist flick are examples of trick shots designed to confuse the player.

    however, shots like hidyat or sigit... when they counter a smash behind their back or between their legs... these are shots of desperation... and the purpose of desperation shots is that it was a last minute mind change, if they had the time they would of made the shot in a different. so chen hong's shot was desperate.
     
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    Peter Gade's trademark shot! everyone knows it's Gade's.
    that's a deceptive shot, he had all the time in the world to do anything with this shuttle but he decided at match point to pull this one off. definitely not a shot of desperation.
     
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