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Will Lee Chong Wei remain World No.1 until the 2012 OG?

Discussion in 'Malaysia Professional Players' started by chris-ccc, Apr 6, 2009.

  1. Oldhand

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    It's quite unlikely that China will bank its Olympic fortunes on Chen Long or any other second-rung player now on the international circuit.

    Chen Long is hardly a great player. Nothing in his (current) game shows great promise. His smashes, blocks, footwork, retrieving and net-play are only a few shades above ordinary - and his drops, especially from the backhand corner, are terrible.

    I would imagine that China has another set of players waiting in the wings. With the Olympics well over three years away, it makes no sense to be prematurely pushing them into the competitive arena. As we speak, the CBA sports factory is probably at work moulding, equipping and polishing these players for the rigours ahead.

    Of course, if Lin Dan can sustain his Beijing game until London, he will lead the China brigade. If not, China will ruthlessly push him aside. By then, they will have plenty of alternatives and will also have too much at stake to rely on anyone but the best. After all, despite the MS, WS and WD golds, the Beijing result was not the one China wanted.

    It follows that, in this drive to London, world rankings are at best a desirable statistic. It beats me how China's prospects in 2012 (or, for that matter, in any prestigious event) would be either brightened or clouded by having or not having a World No.1 in its ranks.

    His rank didn't help Lee Chong Wei at Beijing.
    It's unlikely to help him at London either ;)
     
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    Well......our thread starter did discuss some on how the BWF ranking system works,and hazarded a little humor, which was misunderstood.

    Discussion on the calculation of WR points for sure will happen as our chris@ccc also posed the question on who can challenge LCW's WR#1 ranking. Perhaps should ask again the thread starter as to what else he wants to discuss pertaining to this.;);)
     
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    You didn't get it :eek:
     
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    That is not the main points of what our chris@ccc wanted to discuss, as you know very well. That's why I'm trying to keep from that sector of discussion & focus on the "gathering WR points" business. :D
    If you've read my earlier post, you'll know I was also wondering why he wanted to discuss this since to me it wouldnt matter much - as long as WR#1 or WR#2 is fine for LCW.
     
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    How about..

    ..if 'yes' is the answer, how about taking into consideration:
    1. Other improving players. Aren't there other shuttlers competing with LCW?
    2. Possible injury/injuries or other unforeseen factors? If Dato LCW keeps playing til the 2012 OG, will he go injury-free?
    ..then you should invite your other badminton players friends to chime in (or register as members of this forum, if they haven't), in this thread also?..We'd like to read what they think about Dato LCW's chances..Worst comes to worst, if they think very optimistically, we have Pemuda to entertain them..:cool:
     
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    Glad to note that this thread is now back on track about whether LCW can still be WR1 until the 2012 OG and not about the BWF ranking system or how it works.

    Hopefully, there will be no more flip flopping between LCW & how the ranking system works.

    :eek:
     
  7. chris-ccc

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    Chen Long making his way closer and closer to Lee Chong Wei

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    The match between Chen Long and Bao Chunlai for the Mens Singles title at the 2009 Badminton Asia Championships) has been completed.

    Quite a close result:
    Bao Chunlai [4] [​IMG][CHN] defeated [​IMG][CHN] Chen Long 16-21, 21-10, 21-16 in 55 mins.

    Although Chen Long did not win, he continues to gain more ranking points to improve his World Ranking position. From earlier posts, some have said that CL could be the one to topple LCW's World No.1 position. We are now seeing CL making his way closer and closer to LCW.

    CL might be able defeat BCL by the end of this year, but IMHO, he is still way below the standards of LCW and LD. Don't think CL could be World No.1 when the 2012 Olympic Games arrives.

    But let's wish CL all the best as he is improving in his rankings slowly, but surely.

    :):):)
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    I got mix feelings for that. excited to see he develop and, hope Chong wei will cope with pressures from the youngsters that will catch him up.Chaiyo! Chong Wei
     
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    Huh????? :eek:
    Chen Long is getting closer to Lee Chong Wei?????

    If Chen Long (at No.100) is getting closer to Chong Wei, surely Przemyslaw Wacha (at No.10) must be rubbing noses with Chong Wei :eek:

    Heard of Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka, Dmytro Zavadsky or Sven Eric Kastens?
    Going by this logic, these players are closer to Chong Wei than Chen Long.

    In ranking terms, Chen Long is as close to Lee Chong Wei as the Eiffel Tower is to the Great Wall of China. Even the retired Chen Hong and Chen Yu are way ahead of Chen Long!
     
  10. racketmania

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    Hey relax guys....
    The world rank is not the topic here....
    The topic is will chong wei remain No 1 till OG 2012...
    That's a long way to go....
    Anything could happen....
    Injuries, food poisoning hehehe and many more.....
    By that time also LCW is about 30++ years old.....

    So, do the math yourself....
     
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    Haha, you didnt get it Oldhand.
    "4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?:confused:
    YES
    5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?:confused:
    YES"

    I think what limsy meant with no 4 & 5 was the BWF ranking points system & its relation to computation of WR points which results to LCW's (and his "challengers") current & future rankings. (Other players WR is also something that the thread starter wants to consider)

    In order to speculate whether LCW can maintain his WR#1 status until 2012, as you know, we do have to calculate the WR points ;). If the BWF WR system is not related, then how to calculate who will be WR#1, WR#10,WR#100? So, for sure we have to mention the BWF ranking points & thereabouts. It's not about dissecting the system, Sir.

    Cos the thread starter was explaining a bit on how the system works as some members were "blur" but unfortunately some other members got more confused.:p
     
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    Chen Long has just overtaken Chen Hong and Chen Yu

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    Talking about Chen Long, Chen Hong and Chen Yu; From the ranking points earned from this 2009 Badminton Asia Championships), Chen Long has just overtaken Chen Hong and Chen Yu.
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    Hope that the intention of this thread is clearer now

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    Thanks eaglehelang ,

    Glad that you remind us what was intended to be discussed in this thread.

    From the starting post of this thread:
    Therefore, we wish to discuss:

    (1) Can Lee Chong Wei remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games?
    Here, 'World No.1' is meant to be 'BWF No.1 ranked player'

    (2) To monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei
    Here, 'players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei' is meant to be 'players' BWF rankings which can overtake the No.1 ranking of Lee Chong Wei'

    This is the reason why I posted Post #129:
    Hope that the intention of this thread is clearer now.

    :):):)
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    How in the world is Chen Long getting closer and closer to LCW??

    Beside the pocket dictionary, you may need to invest in a calculator as well.
    CL making his way closer and closer to LCW??? :eek:
    Ok, what is CL's ranking now?
    Take that and minus LCW's current ranking?
    Now if that is considered as getting closer and closer to LCW, you may as well say David Snider at #92 is also inching closer and closer to LCW at #1.

    Anyway, I wont be surprise to see certain members who are 'thick' and will jump onto the bandwagon agreeing with your theory that CL is indeed getting closer and closer to LCW.
     
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    My understanding of the question: "Will LCW remain World No.1 until the 2012 London OG?" must necessarily involve BWF's World Ranking points system which currently accorded LCW as WR1.

    So we need to know how BWF calculates WR points for participation and at each stage of advancement to the final for all BWF sanctioned events, which I understand, carry different weightage according to their prize money, eg SS versus GP Gold versus GP versus International Challenge, etc.

    So if a player manages to participate in more events, especially those that carry higher ranking points, and advance closer to the final, he will have more opportunities to score more WR points.

    Since LCW is now WR1, it means he has scored the most number of official WR points thus far. Probably Lin Dan is WR2 (I haven't checked the latest WR positions) and although he has beaten LCW more times in SS and other recognized events, LD is not WR1 because he has not participated in more events as LCW had done.

    But how many points is LD behind LCW now and what must he do to overtake LCW? Does LD have to wait till 2012 to do this or he could do it this year or next or year after next?

    What about the current WR3 to WR10 for example, especially players like CJ, BCL,TH and PG, can they overtake both LD and LCW? How many WR points are they behind? Maybe they can do it if they participate in more events and win many of them. Do we have any such calibre player in sight to do this? Or will their respective country associations allow them to go?

    If not, what can stop both LD and LCW from participating in BWF sanctioned events?

    Now we have cases of highly World Ranked players who were simply immobilised for many months through injury such as Achillies tendon, from which PG, WCW and even Ronald Susilo suffered. Even food poisoning can prevent a player from making a quick return and winning his next event.

    So I'm not sure LCW can remain WR1 until the next London Olympics. It is just too far away. It will be more realistic to guage their position year by year.

    Maybe someone can make a detailed comparison or simulation, say in the form of a chart, of the top ten WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders by either doing well, say reaching the QF, SF, F and winning events.
     
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    Participate more often to gain ranking points

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    Loh ... Talking about ranking points and participation rates, your position in our BC PAW (World :p:p:p) Ranking has gone down quite a bit since you last won the 2007 Macau Open tournament. You will need to return to participate more often, before your ranking position slides down even further. :):):)

    Talking about 'a detailed comparison or simulation in the form of a chart of the top WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders', perhaps our Sandy and some of our PAWers are capable of doing it. Let's try it out for our BC PAW Games first. After it works, we can apply it for the BWF Ranking usage.

    :):):)
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    mmm i think LCW can retain the title if he participate in many tournaments and make at least the QF in all the tournaments
     
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    Chris@ccc, just to clarify,1) if the player participated last yr and reached finals & did not participate in the same tourney this year, does he lose the exact points he gained last yr ? Assuming the tourney is his best 10.
    2) How do they distribute the points for team events??

    Yes Uncle Loh, LD is WR#2 for now :
    http://internationalbadminton.org/ranking.asp
    1) LCW = 84179
    2) LD = 66940
    3) CJ = 65804 (back injury)
    4) PG = 64683 (maybe will retire in 2010)
    5) Sony K= 60927 (back injury)
    6) Taufik = 58943 (unpredictable ?)

    In the earlier pages, someone already mentioned that it looks unlikely LCW will be toppled in 2009 as LD will have to win almost all the titles for remainder of the year.
    For 2010,maybe LD will take back the WR#1, if he participates more & Team CHina's strategy remains the same. Since he doesnt look like partitipcating much this year, he will gain full points in 2010. LCW needs to consistently Semi finals.
    For 2011, since it's OG qualifcation points will start, I think LCW will lose the spot. At this present moment, the likely candidate to overtake is of course LD.
    ;)
     
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    Unlike LCW, I have given up trying for the top spots! :D There are far too many capable, young and experienced players in the PAW game. :D Maybe you can do much better. Good Luck! ;)

    However PAW rankings and how it is devised and computed is different from BWF world rankings, I believe. So we can't really marry the two, can we? :p

    As our Lady Eagle has pointed out, LCW's WR1 may not continue till 2012, if LD especially should intensify his attempts, particularly during the Olympic year.

    And as I have said, injury and non-appearance as a result of not being sent by the respective associations or sponsors or simply due to retirement, will certainly affect one's world ranking adversely. The longer it takes to make a comeback, the worse will be one's ranking. :(

    Probably a more realistic question would be:

    "Will LCW remain World No.1 until 2010?"

    in view of so many uncertainties.

    But LCW has a good reason to maintain a very high world ranking as his financial incentives are partly tied to this. :rolleyes:
     
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    robin7 asked Sandy the same question

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    eaglehelang,

    For each tournament, our BC PAW Ranking Points are derived using the BWF World Ranking Points. Our BC PAW Ranking System closely mirrors the BWF World Ranking System. Therefore for our To-date BC PAW World Ranking, we drop or gain points according to the BWF rules.

    In this thread (click here), robin7 asked Sandy the same question. You will find the discussions in the first 10 posts.

    That's why in replying to Loh 's post (Post #156), about a detailed comparison or simulation in the form of a chart of the top WR players and show their difference in points and how they can overtake the leaders, I suggested that perhaps our Sandy and some of our PAWers are capable of doing it. We can try it out for our BC PAW Games first. After it works, we can then apply it for the BWF World Ranking usage.

    :):):)
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