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Zulfadli Zulkifli

Discussion in 'Malaysia Professional Players' started by chris-ccc, Dec 18, 2010.

  1. ngkt67

    ngkt67 Regular Member

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    the only hope for ZZ to be with BAM is BAM must not involved any and THAT MEANS ANY politic motives that currently happened nowadays only you just don't know yet...
     
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    BAM follow the CBA's system

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    From Loh's posts, the thing I agree with is "a democratic selection trial could solve the problem of representation".

    BAM was formed to look after Badminton in Malaysia. BAM shouldn't ignore (or give problems to) players wishing to play as independent players.

    BAM follow the CBA's system. If not in CBA, Chinese players can't play. :(:(:(

    I rather follow the PBSI's system. Taufik is an independent player, and PBSI still treat Taufik as an Indonesian 'national' player.
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  3. Loh

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    I totally agree that ZZ must prove himself at the senior level. The junior titles meant little unlike the senior ones.

    If ZZ chose to play for KLRC and remain "independent" he must prove himself by improving his world ranking.

    And a case can be made by all concerned that any player wishing to represent MAS at international events such as the TC and UC will be based on his WR by a certain
    cut-off date. If necessary this must be followed up to the highest authority to arrive at a neutral decision that takes into account the country's interest and not partisan interest as currently displayed. BAM has to make it transparent and democratic to avoid confusion, criticism and arguments. This is also to cater to more non-BAM players in future.

    So in the end only the best can don MAS colors. But for now ZZ needs to prove he is among the best in the country and that is by scoring more WR points.
     
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    ZZ stopped at 3rd round in India GP...

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  5. Loh

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    Exactly what it means at the senior level.

    WJC is too far away from the best at the senior level. Even Alamsyah can subdue ZZ in straight games. So ZZ must earn his WR points the harder way before he can claim a place in MAS' TC team and his dad and KLRC have to play a stronger role to help him achieve this. ;)
     
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    ZZ still cannot take a game off Alamsyah Yunus, proves that he still has a very long way to go!
     
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    once upon a time,chen long lost to andrew smith after he won the wjc
     
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    maaaan ... this boy will be the most scrutinized player ever in BC if this continues... ...
     
  9. chris-ccc

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    ZZ is changing the course of Badminton in Malaysia

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    Hahaha... He should be. :D:D:D

    Reasons;
    * ZZ is the 1st Asian Junior Championships Boys Singles winner.
    * ZZ is the 1st World Junior Championships Boys Singles winner.
    * ZZ is insisting on staying as an independent player (away from BAM).
    * ZZ is getting huge support from many Malaysians. But BAM people continue to neglect him.
    * ZZ is the 'Golden Boy' of KLRC, a club that doesn't require tax-paying Malaysians to support.

    IMHO, ZZ is changing the course of how Malaysian players in future will participate in Badminton (as professionals without the need for BAM).
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  10. undeadshot

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    Chen Long made the climb to the top, he finished his long way. Will Zul?
     
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    Will BAM allow ZZ to climb without BAM?

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    I hope ZZ can.

    Chen Long climbed to the top with CBA. ZZ is different from CL, ZZ wants to climb up without BAM.

    CBA would not allow CL to climb to the top without CBA. The question is: Will BAM allow ZZ to climb without BAM?
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    These are rather strong accusations which should not be aired without much consideration and evidence.

    If BAM has no interest in ZZ's welfare, BAM would not have offered to take him in. But it seems ZZ prefers to remain with KLRC and so he has to bear with the consequences. In any case ZZ is just starting out in the long and arduous road in professional badminton. So don't make it out that he is going to be MAS's MS savior.

    Remember LCW is brought through the BAM system and has done very well for MAS.
     
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    Strong accusations should not be aired without much consideration and evidence

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    If you have read my posts (in the past so many years), I am dead against BAM (Malaysia), SBA (Singapore), CBA (China), and other National Associations that treat independent/club players with discrimination.

    I am for Denmark, Germany, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, and other National Associations that treat independent/club players without discrimination.

    Perhaps, I shall say no more. :eek::eek::eek:
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    And whatever criticism we may have against CBA and LYB, China Badminton is still tops in the world and a great force to reckon with. Their system of grooming and blooding their talents has generally been very successful as evidenced by their success in major tournaments. So CL and others like him should count themselves very lucky to have an extensive and comprehensive system to support their ambitions.
     
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    Because I am supportive of ALL players (within and without their National Associations), therefore I am against National Associations that discriminate against players who want to play independently.
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    hehe
    just like how they treat koo/tan?haha
     
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    This is not a perfect world and there are no perfect systems to suit everybody. This applies to the badminton world as well. What may seem discriminatory to some may not be the same to others
     
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    This is not a perfect world and there are no perfect systems to suit everybody. This applies to the badminton world as well. What may seem discriminatory to some may not be the same to others. It depends on whose interest is affected.

    We have not arrived at a world without the need of government yet. So we need to take advantage of whatever is available to us and not to take issue with everything that seems to be against us. For there are others who managed to thrive in the same system.

    It is different though when we see discriminatory policies being enshrined in laws or constitutions because of race, language, religion or political affiliation.

    National badminton associations have to account for their failures at some stage of their development and change may then be necessary to enable them to succeed. It is no use to criticizing them so very often when their job has not been completed.
     
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    Uncle Loh, that's cos BAM has not been successful in producing a 2nd MS to assist LCW, with all the 'taxpayers money' pumped in. More so since the MD dept under Yap Kim Hock keep churning out WJC after WJC. At least got some hope after KKK/TBH.

    The AJC & WJC runner up/s, Iskandar & Loh WS are still are still struggling to find their footing. There's 8 years difference between LCW & Iskandar, 10 years between LCW & Zul.
    So, let Zul be the pioneer in the Independent players group. Who knows, Zul can make it better without all the politics(there are lots of it), red tape, constant criticism cos it's using taxpayers money.
     
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    You also need to understand what some of our players have gone through (discrimination done by their National Associations).

    Just to name a few (and you need to talk to them);

    * Chen Hong
    * Zhou Mi
    * Wang Chen
    * Zhang Beiwen
    * Gan Teik Chai and Tan Bin Shen
    * etc, etc, ......

    They would tell you that their National Associations are doing more harm than good to Badminton (as a sport available to all players).
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