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  • Lee Chong Wei

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  • Lin Dan

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    “I am a badminton ambassador and it is my responsibility to maintain the interest of the the badminton fans,” said the 28-year-old Lin Dan
    read this from another thread.

    if he keeps on thrashing lcw, surely the game will become boring and a turn-off. lcw is one of the biggest personalities in world badminton and drawing him to a titanic battle where LD emerges victorious really gave the fans a huge treat.

    that's how the greatest player in badminton history stays motivated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    After last night win by Lin Dan, I am sure he knows Lcw is getting too close.

    From now onwards either he put more effort into his preparation for Olympic 12

    or he can kiss goodbye to the final.

    Similarly we can also kiss goodbye to see the same final match we saw yesterday

    How Lin Dan celebrated after he won in the final tells us everything,

    that title still matters so much to him
    If LCW meet LD in OLY12 final, that could be a different ending...but now LYB knows he cannot count on his bodyguards.

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    Don't think LD screws around too much but his game has matured with strategy and patience. He doesn't have to smash and rush or players would be better prepared, as LCW demostrated in all his early games (LD in the olympics) LD with his coaches have applied the rule to absorb pressure and then at right times hit back. Notice also the number of set points LD saved that is a good player and at the end of the 3rd set the manner in which the last 3 points were played. Discipline was the key and lower risk!

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    That's right pBM.

    LD lamented to the media press that for this world championships, he had already won it before, therefore it's not as important as before. Although the comment is a little egoistical, it is at the same time also point to tactical intelligence. Why i say this is because if he loses, it's because he wasn't too concern about winning. On the other hand, if he wins, it means, although he wasn't placing too much emphasis on the game but yet, he could still win. Fantastic answer.

    All I want to say at the end of the day, after tonnes of comments, both bad and assuring for LCW.

    We generally agree that it was just unlucky day for LCW. It could have gone both ways.

    But do you guys know what is more important?

    Deep down inside, although Lin Dan definitely does not want to tell you, aside that he wants to finish and win the game faster so that he could go shopping and buy gifts for xinfang; is that he knows that the reason he won the game is that he was LUCKY too. He came back from behind. He did not win by a wide margin like he used to against LCW. Lin Dan knows LCW is coming close to being on par with him, if not better in time to come. He knows this. Of course, he won't tell you.

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    After last night win by Lin Dan, I am sure he knows Lcw is getting too close.

    From now onwards either he put more effort into his preparation for Olympic 12

    or he can kiss goodbye to the final.

    Similarly we can also kiss goodbye to see the same final match we saw yesterday

    How Lin Dan celebrated after he won in the final tells us everything,

    that title still matters so much to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    That's right pBM.

    LD lamented to the media press that for this world championships, he had already won it before, therefore it's not as important as before. Although the comment is a little egoistical, it is at the same time also point to tactical intelligence. Why i say this is because if he loses, it's because he wasn't too concern about winning. On the other hand, if he wins, it means, although he wasn't placing too much emphasis on the game but yet, he could still win. Fantastic answer.

    All I want to say at the end of the day, after tonnes of comments, both bad and assuring for LCW.

    We generally agree that it was just unlucky day for LCW. It could have gone both ways.

    But do you guys know what is more important?

    Deep down inside, although Lin Dan definitely does not want to tell you, aside that he wants to finish and win the game faster so that he could go shopping and buy gifts for xinfang; is that he knows that the reason he won the game is that he was LUCKY too. He came back from behind. He did not win by a wide margin like he used to against LCW. Lin Dan knows LCW is coming close to being on par with him, if not better in time to come. He knows this. Of course, he won't tell you.
    That is true. Sin Chew Jit Poh reported that when LCW's parent saw the ending, they commented " LD will not have that kind of lucky escape next time."

    LCW dominated the match most of the time in 1st and 3nd game.

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    Wah, Pakito & Victory, LCW should hire both of you as his motivators.
    Better than those politicians sitting in their armchairs giving pressure.

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    After seeing some video of LCW suffering from muscles cramps and foot blisters after his 80+ minutes titanic-battle match with LD, I think we have just seen the very best of LCW already and he is unlikely to improve on his current level further during next year Olympic. LCW only way to improve his game is to increase his pain threshold during his daily training, which might not be a good thing for his own health sake in the longer term. LCW's challenge now is to maintain his current form and physical level all the way till the Olympic.
    As for LD, I think he is still not at his optimum physical level yet, he probably still has another 5% room of improvement in himself by next year Olympics. His challenge now is to build up his momentum slowly and to reach that additional 5% potential in his physical state by the Olympic.

    Game plays wise, both players are already at the optimum level that they both can achieve. However, I do feel LD has probably slightly more variety in his games than LCW to post or counter more threats to / from his opponents.

    Both LD and LCW's mental strength are also at their optimum level but LCW will always carry with him his burdens that he is still someway behind LD at 8 -16 in direct one-on-one faceoff and also his failure to beat LD even at his optimum best level. LD mental burden is that he now knows that if he slacks during training or or don't continue to improve his physical level, he will definitely lose to LCW in next year Olympics.

    Luckwise, like they said, Lady Luck will always favour the brave. During last few crucial points during the third game, LD took the risks and they paid off handsomely for him, whereas LCW tried to play it safe but was forced to conceal the initiatives of the game to LD.

    All said, I am looking forward to see another classic match in next year Olympics' men single final between LD & LCW and wish both of them all the best. May the best player win.
    Last edited by laivc; 08-16-2011 at 04:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Wah, Pakito & Victory, LCW should hire both of you as his motivators.
    Better than those politicians sitting in their armchairs giving pressure.
    Ha ha LCW already has a super motivator.......WMC. In BSC serdang raya court( belong to WMC and her family), we call her "Chu Lui".

    "Chu Lui" is so sweet, LCW doesn't need me. WMC and her sister Wong Mew Kheng also handle coaching over there. If you want to be motivated, you can go to BSC serdang .

    Talk about those bloody politicians, I am in the mood of booting them out in next election. LCW must not pay attention to them. He just need to focus on badminton.

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    too all that said LD won the match because he's "lucky", well, as the saying goes, you gotta be good to be lucky and lucky to be good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capnx View Post
    too all that said LD won the match because he's "lucky", well, as the saying goes, you gotta be good to be lucky and lucky to be good
    You can see it that way. I have my point of view too.

    For a match that is won 22-20 at the 3rd set, there is always an element of luck.

    When the game is won that way by LD, LCW's supporter will say LD is lucky. Like wise, If the game is won that way by LCW, LD's fan will say LCW is lucky.

    If it were other players like PG or Taufik, their supporters will say the same.

    The win is simply too marginal. Luck is something too subjective to discuss. No point we argue on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victory View Post
    You can see it that way. I have my point of view too.

    For a match that is won 22-20 at the 3rd set, there is always an element of luck.

    When the game is won that way by LD, LCW's supporter will say LD is lucky. Like wise, If the game is won that way by LCW, LD's fan will say LCW is lucky.

    If it were other players like PG or Taufik, their supporters will say the same.

    The win is simply too marginal. Luck is something too subjective to discuss. No point we argue on this.
    Quite true, one of the last shot LCW took hit the white tape of the net and fell back. If LCW had the luck, the shot could have been hit 1 cm higher instead, it could brush the white tape of the net and roll over to win a crucial point. I think the shot was taken by LCW when the score was tied at 21-21. With that point won by LD due to the "luck" factor or some of you insist, a 1 cm difference, the score then became 22-21 in favour of LD rather than in favour of LCW, matchpoint to LD instead of matchpoint to LCW. Of course LD won his matchpoint and win 23-21 to claim his 4th World Championship Men Single title, it could easily have been the 3rd matchpoint (the other 2 matchpoints at 20-19 & 21-20) to LCW and the ending to the titanic match could have been very different. Luck really is a good thing top player cannot live without.
    Last edited by laivc; 08-17-2011 at 01:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laivc View Post
    Quite true, one of the last shot LCW took hit the white tape of the net and fell back. If LCW had the luck, the shot could have been hit 1 cm higher instead, it could brush the white tape of the net and roll over to win a crucial point. I think the shot was taken by LCW when the score was tied at 21-21. With that point won by LD due to the "luck" factor or some of you insist, a 1 cm difference, the score then became 22-21 in favour of LD rather than in favour of LCW, matchpoint to LD instead of matchpoint to LCW. Of course LD won his matchpoint and win 23-21 to claim his 4th World Championship Men Single title, it could easily have been the 3rd matchpoint (the other 2 matchpoints at 20-19 & 21-20) to LCW and the ending to the titanic match could have been very different. Luck really is a good thing top player cannot live without.
    Well said. Luck is a good thing top player cannot live without. If there is no such thing as luck, human won't create the word "luck", "god's will", "fate" , "good timing" and etc.......

    Not just in sport. Luck is needed in every field. I am a businessman and investor. I know so darn well "good timing" is such an important factor in business and investing. It is not THE only factor, but it is important.

    Well, some Bcers love their hero so much that they can not see things slightly more objective. Anyway, they are entitle to their point of view. That is okay. Let it be. No point arguing.

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    Luck? Deserted LCW? Luck went over to the other side to favour LD?

    So then, you may say:

    This same "luck" favours LCW almost 100% of the time when he plays any other player, but this luck mysteriously favours LD more than him whenever the time comes for them to play against each other.

    So then, this "luck" is not random. It is selective. A strange kind of luck, that has a pattern to it! If you say "destiny" or "karma" I would be inclined to agree, but I don't think "luck" comes into the equation.

    LCW was getting increasingly stressed out at the game approached the final stages; his body language, eyes, facial expressions all gave him away. Even his game showed signs of stress with uncharacteristic selection of shots, weak returns, insecure footwork. Better than most others I grant you, but nowhere close to the consistent quality of play we have witnessed from him over the past 6 months. If he failed to clear the netcord, it was because he was not at all in his zone; his core was not centred.

    If I were to choose one phrase that sums up the result of this match, it would be:
    "Fortune favours the brave."

    My 2c...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capnx View Post
    too all that said LD won the match because he's "lucky", well, as the saying goes, you gotta be good to be lucky and lucky to be good
    "A good player is always lucky." -- Chess Champion Josť Raul Capablan
    For me it's the win of genius over sweat. LCW will not get any better - he is already at his limit.
    Also LCW had the role of the challenger to win the title. LD was in the situation to be the favorite which layed immense pressure on him.
    You could see this clearly in the match against PG, where LD was forced to play very defensive, because PG could play aggressively
    as he had nothing to loose. But LD solved the gordian knot and did it again against LCW. The final remembered me to the semi final
    against chen hong in 2006 where LD's opponent was at the top of his abilities. After the first set LD seemed to loose the match, but
    in the second match he fought back and showed his genius with incredible shots and reflexes. In the same way CH got weaker showing up his nerves. LD won the second set by a narrow margin by 21-19. You could say LD was lucky, but it was more than that. LD broke the back of his oppenent and won the third set at 21-14. As far as I know CH did not win any match against LD after that....

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    to quote Gillian Clark, "you create your own luck."

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    The strange thing is Lin Dan admitted he was lucky to beat LCW this time. See Sin chew Jit Poh that reported it today. Shall we ask LD to comment over here to clear the air?

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    I agree, some luck if you see it. Thanks to the unluckiness of lcw. He was rushing to serve. Can't blame anyone. Lindan took turn to slow it down. To reverse the psychology.

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