Lee Chong Wei vs Lin Dan at WC 2011

**AlanY** · 08-18-2011, 12:56 PM

I dont believe Lin Dan was pressure free in the WC as many people think.

before the tournament started i'm quite sure that Team China or even Li Yongbo was happy with 4 golds. but, as the tournament got going and before the Finals day the clean sweep was still on.

I posted on the other thread that the LD-LCW match will be the key for China's clean sweep. It''s almost like the final match in Thomas or Sudirman Cup the whole team's honour was in his hand. You tell me this is not pressure.

another point is both LD and FYF/CY were both on course to win the world champion the 4th time. teammates or not I'm sure Lin Dan wouldn't be too happy in the future been introduced as the 3 times world champion, and then FHF/CY the 4 times world champion.

**ctjcad** · 08-18-2011, 01:29 PM

LD might have a bit of pressure, but at the end it was simply LCW's to lose; coming in red-hot, WR #1, even avoided all the INA shuttlers aka his boogeymen (who'd beaten him in past WCs) but he simply couldn't close the deal (w/2 match pts chances and blew it)..

**extremenanopowe** · 08-18-2011, 06:45 PM

I am amazed if anyone can know what happened by just looking at the points. Can't LCW be trailing all the way? A true badminton fan should watch it and not discriminate.

I am still puzzled with knowing all by seeing scores only. Amazing...

Talking about credibility and competency..? it is god like.

**pcll99** · 08-18-2011, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by AlanY

yes, they are very important and were in their mind during the game.
LD was so clever that at 22-21 game 3, he asked for a towel break and the umpire allowed it (M Frost the old fox seen through it though).
LD just let LCW had time to think about all the game/match points he missed and LD got his first and the second is coming!

This is a very interesting point, which I have never thought of.... You are saying LD deliberately gave time to LCW to reflect on his own (ie LCW's) failure during that specific crucial moment....

if this was indeed LD's intention, it would be psychological warfare at the very highest level...

***cobalt*** · 08-19-2011, 12:47 AM

Rivalry brings out the best in Lee, Lin Dan
2011/08/18
By K.M. Boopathy
boopathy@nst.com.my

Full Story: http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles//43RIVA/Article/

Excerpts:

THEY are best of friends off court but Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan of China hate to lose to each other and this has taken their rivalry to another level.
Lin Dan's uncanny ability to peak effortlessly at major events, said national singles coach Tey Seu Bock, has helped him keep ahead of Chong Wei for the last six years.

"Lin Dan has been suffering uncharacteristic defeats to several players since the 2008 Olympics but when it comes to a major, he makes an extra effort to deny Chong Wei.

"In fact, Chong Wei also hates losing to Lin Dan but the latter's special gift to be able to peak on the big occasion gives him the edge," said Seu Bock.

"Their rivalry has been intense for the last six years but it has been very close over the last two. Currently,Lin Dan is the only player capable of beating Chong Wei but that is not going to happen too often as their rivalry suggests.

"This is due to Chong Wei's improvement and maturity as a player. In fact, since losing to Taufik Hidayat (of Indnonesia) in the last World Championships, he has lost only twice (to Lin Dan) in 13 tournaments.

"Lin Dan has inflicted enough disappointments (on Chong Wei) and I am optimistic of seeing a more confident Chong Wei giving his arch rival a taste of his own medicine in coming meetings.

"Chong Wei may have lost the early battles but I hope he will be victorious in the London Olympics and it will be good if Lin Dan is on the receiving end."

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Fighting words from TSB!

**volcom** · 08-19-2011, 01:02 AM

While LD enjoys a nice cup of tea comfortably at home

**ctjcad** · 08-19-2011, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by extremenanopowe

I am amazed if anyone can know what happened by just looking at the points. Can't LCW be trailing all the way? A true badminton fan should watch it and not discriminate.

I am still puzzled with knowing all by seeing scores only. Amazing...

Talking about credibility and competency..? it is god like.

dear mr. extreme-kangen-water-powe,
it's not about whether one can know what happened or knowing all by just looking at the scores; but simply one knows how fantastic the match was just by looking at the scoreboard...i'm sure you can sense how exciting and pulsating it is just by looking at the below scorelines..so, no, it's not god-like..

**flite** · 08-19-2011, 03:44 AM

Statistic statistic and statistic lol.

It was so much livelier watching the match itself. How were the smash winners executed? Were it powerful and accurate enough? Any acrobatic style of retrievals? How was the build up to the final game points? Any good rallies?... and most importantly the atmosphere and the expressions of both players during critical moments.

You can't even tell was there any controversies.

I almost throw up when I saw the graph above.

**AlanY** · 08-19-2011, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

dear mr. extreme-kangen-water-powe,
it's not about whether one can know what happened or knowing all by just looking at the scores; but simply one knows how fantastic the match was just by looking at the scoreboard...i'm sure you can sense how exciting and pulsating it is just by looking at the below scorelines..so, no, it's not god-like..

OT;

I was always wonder how they got all those numbers, from thin air?
3 net winners in the last games! that cant be right.
do they have people watching all those games from day 1 as most of them were not on TV? incl qualifications?

**demolidor** · 08-19-2011, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

OT;

I was always wonder how they got all those numbers, from thin air?
3 net winners in the last games! that cant be right.
do they have people watching all those games from day 1 as most of them were not on TV? incl qualifications?

I believe tournamentsoftware is directly linked to the umpire's chair computer/tablet thingie ...

**AlanY** · 08-19-2011, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by demolidor

I believe tournamentsoftware is directly linked to the umpire's chair computer/tablet thingie ...

even that i dont think the umpire will record if it was a net or smash winner etc

**pcll99** · 08-19-2011, 08:24 AM

I just re-watched the LCW vs LD match again (after re-watching it a million times)..

It seems LD was the one who requested a towel break immediately after his first championship point.... But, based on the live TV broadcast, I am not 100% certain ... maybe it was LCW who initiated the request...

Can someone please confirm?

**guy3288** · 08-19-2011, 10:20 AM

no need to argue so much.

LCW lost it, he only have himself to blame

LD can afford to lose, since he had won so many before. Win one more, that's a bonus!

All the more humiliating to LCW, but what to do? LCW only have himself to blame!!

Even i who supported LCW wont defend him.
What's the point of being WR No 1, if you cant's beat LD??

And time is running out!!!!!!!!!The worse is LD decides to call it quit tomorrow, LCW will then really be relegated to forever be the 2nd best!!!!

So come on LCW get it right next time, no more excuses!!!!!!!!!

Next time when you lose the game, say out loud i am just not as good as LD!!!!!!!!!!

**Ton-Min-Bad** · 08-19-2011, 03:21 PM

IMO LCW had a really big chance this time to win the WC. LD wasn't really in good shape and that well prepared. He even said that the tournament wasn't too important to him. Why should it after having won 3 WC titles? So I expect LD to play on such a high level at the OG 2012 that LCW won't be able to follow. LD is just too good!

**pjswift** · 08-19-2011, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ton-Min-Bad

IMO LCW had a really big chance this time to win the WC. LD wasn't really in good shape and that well prepared. He even said that the tournament wasn't too important to him. Why should it after having won 3 WC titles? So I expect LD to play on such a high level at the OG 2012 that LCW won't be able to follow. LD is just too good!

What LD said was to reduce the pressure on him. Also to prepare an excuse and lessen the value of the WC should LCW win. Remember AE used to be high value until LCW won it?Come OG12, LD will say the same thing. He is not too concerned about winning the OG title because he has one already. Winning a second one would be a bonus. Mark my words.

**visor** · 08-20-2011, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by pjswift

What LD said was to reduce the pressure on him. Also to prepare an excuse and lessen the value of the WC should LCW win. Remember AE used to be high value until LCW won it?Come OG12, LD will say the same thing. He is not too concerned about winning the OG title because he has one already. Winning a second one would be a bonus. Mark my words.

Agree. LD and the Chinese team know how to play down and deflect the pressure and expectations on their performance. They always say this before all the championships... always.

Compare this to poor LCW and KKK/TBH where their coaches and the press have to raise expectations and put extra pressure by saying "yes, this time they'll win" or some such. Even the prime minister has to call poor LCW before the final to pressure him by saying "you got to win this for Malaysia" etc.

**ctjcad** · 08-20-2011, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

OT;

I was always wonder how they got all those numbers, from thin air?
3 net winners in the last games! that cant be right.
do they have people watching all those games from day 1 as most of them were not on TV? incl qualifications?

the umpire for each match will be the one who records those stats. smash winners, hopefully, will be easy to recognize and classify..
as for the 3 net winners in the last game, i'll have to find a time to sit down and watch game 3..