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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    BAM has wasted a load of money on this pair and now the world 18th and 24th pairs have been split up. Lets kiss our hopes of a third Malaysian representative in the Olympics goodbye... unless CPS/GLY make it.
    be fair to them lar...beside Koo/Tan...they are the only MD to win Super Series events....and a WC bronze medal...
    i dont think they really wasted money.....eventhough i dont really support them...but as compared to others, they at least
    have something to show....at least they are brave enough to quit....dont you think so??

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    August 21, 2011 16:28 PM

    Minister Worries Backlash From Zakry, Fairuziziun's Resignation

    BAM has to prove that it is still a relevant body to ensure continuing excellence in national badminton, said Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek.

    He said if more players decided to follow the footsteps of Zakry Abdul Latif and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari, who left the national elite squad, it could be construed that the association was no longer relevant.

    Expressing his shock over the departure of the duo, Ahmad Shabery said the development would tarnish BAM integrity as it was not able to retain players under its ambit.

    "BAM had been given the mandate to develop players, and if more players decided to leave, we are worried old wounds will bleed again as in the departures of Muhammad Hafiz Hashim and Misbun (Datuk MIsbun Sidek), much to the detriment of all quarters," he told Bernama before presenting aid to the needy from the Ayer Puteh state constituency here today.

    BAM president Datuk Seri Mohd Nadzmi Mohd Salleh told a news conference yesterday that BAM had accepted the resignation of Zakry and Fairuzizuan after 15 years of service without any conditions.

    Ahmad Shabery said the National Sports Council (NSC) would get into the bottom of the matter
    as the ministry was concern on the backlash if more players decided to leave BAM or wether the incident was merely an isolated case.

    Zakry, 29, and Fairuziziun, 28, sent their resignation letters to BAM on Aug 17 stating their intention to become independent players.

    They were former second national doubles pair before coach Rexy Mainaky decided to split them with Hoon Thien How and Ong Soon Hock.

    (I think this must be good news to chris-ccc as he is a proponent of independent players.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielwong View Post
    be fair to them lar...beside Koo/Tan...they are the only MD to win Super Series events....and a WC bronze medal...
    i dont think they really wasted money.....eventhough i dont really support them...but as compared to others, they at least
    have something to show....at least they are brave enough to quit....dont you think so??
    indeed true.. they are at least "WORLD CLASS" for few years and yet lotta PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS NEVER ACHIEVED THAT STATUS!

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    Badminton: Fairuz: We have gone as far as we can

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    ZAKRY Latif and Fairuzizuan Tazari believe overstaying in the national team will negatively impact younger pairs hence their decision to quit the BA of Malaysia.
    Fairuz, 28, also admitted he and Zakry had progressed as far as they could in the national squad, prompting them to look for other means to lengthen their careers.

    Fairuz said although they could have carried on playing until the Olympics next year, it would have been unfair on his current partner Ong Soon Hock, 26, and Zakry's partner Hoon Thien How, 25.

    "We have achieved our maximum as a national senior pair together and with others and it is time to move on. We did have an option until the Olympics but that would be unfair on our partners. They can now look for younger partners to prolong their careers," said Fairuz yesterday.

    "There are so many back-up pairs coming through but normally, the senior pairs get to compete more due to qualification for major events and this delays the succession process. Now the back-up pairs will definitely get more opportunities to compete.


    "My pairing with Soon Hock is ranked World No 18 and I would stand a better chance (of Olympic qualification) but there is no guarantee we can produce results.

    "I would rather start afresh with Zakry and if we can qualify for the Olympics, it would be fantastic. However, we don't want to be stumbling blocks to the youngsters anymore."

    Zakry-Fairuz made an impact between 2006 and 2008 where they were ranked as high as World No 8 and were in the running to gain an Olympic berth ahead of Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah but the BA of Malaysia (BAM) settled for the veteran pair.

    Their performance suffered since then and they were split last year.

    Zakry said they will play as an independent pair and select their tournaments based on their form, condition and most importantly, without the pressure of being a national pair.

    "Being a national pair comes with high expectations and it was tough when Thien How and I couldn't perform the way we wanted. Now our (Zakry-Fairuz) destiny is in our hands," said Zakry.

    "BAM has given us permission to train with the national team three times a week and we will also train on our own. We are both 28 and it would be tough to remain in the national team when we are not doing well.

    "At least, the new beginning will give us a chance. Zakry and I have partnered before and gelling will not be a problem.

    "Our main aim is to aim for a Thomas Cup spot next year and we will also battle for Olympic qualification even though it will be very difficult."

    Zakry-Fairuz's first event together will be the Indonesia Open grand prix gold in East Kalimantan on Sept 27-Oct 2. They will also play in the Denmark and French Opens in October.

    http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/f...icle/art_print

    Smart answer....

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    As I recalled, this "Fuzzy" pair has given us some great exciting moments with their notable triumphs and made many MAS fans jubilant just a few years ago.

    They have now passed their peak and realized that they are unable to recapture their glory days again, more so at their "over-the-hill" age. They are unlike LCW, who is one of a kind, dedicated solely to badminton and if he kept up his fitness and training, he could perhaps last as long as the irrefutable 34-year-old PG, who still displayed remarkable fitness and agility during the recent Wembley Arena World Championships where he lost in three SF games to the eventual winner, the Great Dan, who also crashed the dreams of LCW in the final.

    "Uncle" WCH is almost the same age as PG, yet he still remains as MAS No.2, ahead of the younger Hafiz. The younger players proved to be inadequate. But as an independent player, uncle WCH has to do everything by himself (ants also confirmed this in an earlier post), with little financial and related help. He had to stay in a budget hotel during the WC whereas his compatriots from the BAM stable must have much better accommodation and facilities - a better badminton life so to speak.

    Surprise as it may seem, maybe the sounding bells had been struck when their coach Rexy separated the Fuzzy duo when they did not seem to improve anymore. But that action only led to their subsequent demise although the new partnership of Zakry and Hoon Thien How gave initial glimpses of success at the recent WC when they first beat USA Howard Bach & Tony Gunawan 21-17, 21-14 only to lose narrowly to TPE Fang & Lee 24-26, 19-21 on day 2.

    Zakry and Fairuz have given their best to serve MAS and truly deserve the "semi-retirement" they now seek for. BAM did the right thing to release them without conditions so that they can still earn some money as players or coaches. To expect them to rise again as independent players is asking too much since independent players (IPs) are now at a great disadvantage as the case of uncle WCH has revealed. To think that badminton IPs can one day match those in professional tennis will take many years, even decades, so long as the prize moneys are relatively low by comparison.
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    i wonder if it is actually better for players to go out and fight for themselves in the real world is actually better than having them pampered in the national organization. without having to worry about not making any money every month to feed themselves, players can get complacent and be subsequently too lazy to fight. now that they are out of the comfort of the national team, they will have work extra hard to earn their worth and living. giving them a much better incentive to go above and beyond their abilities and expectations.

    at least that's the hope. let's see if something good too pan out of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i wonder if it is actually better for players to go out and fight for themselves in the real world is actually better than having them pampered in the national organization. without having to worry about not making any money every month to feed themselves, players can get complacent and be subsequently too lazy to fight. now that they are out of the comfort of the national team, they will have work extra hard to earn their worth and living. giving them a much better incentive to go above and beyond their abilities and expectations.

    at least that's the hope. let's see if something good too pan out of this.

    Theorectically it may seem to be the case.

    But in reality it may not turn out to be, otherwise we will not have a gulf between successful and not so successful people in the market place. Much also depends on the person himself and the circumstances that he is placed under. When a player is pushed against the wall, it seems he has to fight back. But with limited resources how is he going to fight back and succeed? For many of MAS ex-BAM players who have gone independent, how many have succeeded?

    For example, LCW is placed under the same BAM conditions, yet he thrived whilst his compatriots languished. When BAM tried to raised standards recently, there was hue and cry against the adminstration. QF targets were set, but many failed to achieve.

    LD is supported by the national organization, not independent, yet he remains the best in the sport.

    So ultimately it boils down to the individual, his willingness to work hard, his passion, his will to succeed against all odds.

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    these resignation cases from BAM players currently much happened just like what happened to the INA players nowadays that the INA club players (Djarum) is much better than PBSI players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngkt67 View Post
    these resignation cases from BAM players currently much happened just like what happened to the INA players nowadays that the INA club players (Djarum) is much better than PBSI players...
    It may seem to be the case now, but one must expect change to take place at PBSI as it will be at BAM when things got so low that the only way for them to go is UP, meaning change will take place at the leadership level to improve matters.

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    Yes Fuzzy is the only MAS that have won super series and even win a point for MAS team during
    Thomas cup. They were world class before. So it is not a waste of money grooming them.

    I think they were very well taken care of by BAM. We all can see that BAM keep giving opportunity to them especially Zakry. The strange thing is they still want to leave BAM. Why? BAM need to seriously think about why players keep leaving the body that groom them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victory View Post
    Yes Fuzzy is the only MAS that have won super series and even win a point for MAS team during
    Thomas cup. They were world class before. So it is not a waste of money grooming them.

    I think they were very well taken care of by BAM. We all can see that BAM keep giving opportunity to them especially Zakry. The strange thing is they still want to leave BAM. Why? BAM need to seriously think about why players keep leaving the body that groom them.

    i think you need to restructure the sentence highlighted...or else people will come after you...

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    I disagree that the money was well spent on them starting from mid-2010 when they stopped producing results. But this case isn't that bad compared to...


    Mohd Hafiz Hashim

    Quote Originally Posted by danielwong View Post
    be fair to them lar...beside Koo/Tan...they are the only MD to win Super Series events....and a WC bronze medal...
    i dont think they really wasted money.....eventhough i dont really support them...but as compared to others, they at least
    have something to show....at least they are brave enough to quit....dont you think so??
    Daniel, what I actually meant was BAM shouldn't have wasted money on trying to get their ranking points up, since they have quit whatever tournaments they have been sent to together with OSH and HTH respectively is kinda wasted(OLYMPIC qualification)

    They made the wise decision to quit BAM and it seems that they also realised that they are hampering other pairs such as GWS/LKW...
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    basically they have a good 3 month honeymoon in mid 2008 through out their whole career(about 10 years at least)

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    basically they have a good 3 month honeymoon in mid 2008 through out their whole career(about 10 years at least)
    Oh, and a WC semi-final in 2009.

    Still much better than Hafiz. 1-tournament wonder

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    Hats off to them for the courage to venture on their own. Now I respect them more than before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    BernamaAugust 21, 2011 16:28 PMMinister Worries Backlash From Zakry, Fairuziziun's ResignationBAM has to prove that it is still a relevant body to ensure continuing excellence in national badminton, said Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek.He said if more players decided to follow the footsteps of Zakry Abdul Latif and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari, who left the national elite squad, it could be construed that the association was no longer relevant.Expressing his shock over the departure of the duo, Ahmad Shabery said the development would tarnish BAM integrity as it was not able to retain players under its ambit."BAM had been given the mandate to develop players, and if more players decided to leave, we are worried old wounds will bleed again as in the departures of Muhammad Hafiz Hashim and Misbun (Datuk MIsbun Sidek), much to the detriment of all quarters," he told Bernama before presenting aid to the needy from the Ayer Puteh state constituency here today.BAM president Datuk Seri Mohd Nadzmi Mohd Salleh told a news conference yesterday that BAM had accepted the resignation of Zakry and Fairuzizuan after 15 years of service without any conditions.Ahmad Shabery said the National Sports Council (NSC) would get into the bottom of the matter as the ministry was concern on the backlash if more players decided to leave BAM or wether the incident was merely an isolated case.Zakry, 29, and Fairuziziun, 28, sent their resignation letters to BAM on Aug 17 stating their intention to become independent players.They were former second national doubles pair before coach Rexy Mainaky decided to split them with Hoon Thien How and Ong Soon Hock.(I think this must be good news to chris-ccc as he is a proponent of independent players.)
    Don't worry about Ahmad shabery's words, he never follow up.

    It will be gone just like the wind, remember what he said after misbun rejected bam offer ?
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    Out with the "dead woods" & give the younger pairs more opportunity? Anyway, why no "hoo haa" when Gan TC/ Tan BS left BAM? ALSO, those that left BAM most recently got any results?? Hafiz gave several reasons for leaving BAM, what was his results after leaving...a lot of hot air only.

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