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    Hey guys!

    I'm posting this on behalf of my friend. He recently got tired of his arc 10 and wants an upgrade, so he's considering either the VT series or the new NR series.

    A bit more on him.

    Level: Higher intermediate
    Playing style: A bit towards attack
    Previous racket: Arcsaber 10 Peter Gade edition

    If I'm not wrong Voltric gives power while Nanoray gives repulsion.

    What are the difference between the two?
    Any form of advice is much appreciated!

    Thanks in advance!

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    Voltric rpplaces Armortec. Is head heavy. Mainly for singles. ......Nanoray replaces Nanospeed. Is head light. Mainly for doubles. .......Arcsaber is balanced. For both. No replacement ... yet.

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    Peter Gade upgraded from the ARC10 to a VT80 4U. That too could be a good upgrade for your friend.

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    The perfect uppgrade from Arc-10 to something similar but more powerful is really an N50 from LN (Fu Haifeng edition).. Stiffer, faster and more powerful. VT80 is really a different racket alltogether. I like the shaft of VT80 but I agree that they have some problem with the shaft when it gets warm.. (overflexes).. Don't now about the nanorays.. seems like new versions of NS9000S/X type racekts if you liked those. Would love to try the nanorays out, so I cannot comment about those..

    I would definitively go for a Victor, Apacs, Li-Ning, Panda-power or (TC700 of course :-) ) over most of the latest Yonexes.. I really have a hard time figuring out why people just stick to a brand because of habits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    I would definitively go for a Victor, Apacs, Li-Ning, Panda-power or (TC700 of course :-) ) over most of the latest Yonexes.. I really have a hard time figuring out why people just stick to a brand because of habits?
    It's not that hard to figure out.

    Victor; Only slightly less expensive than Yonex. A little bit complicated for a new buyer to figure out. I want head heavy so I have to figure out the difference between the MX-80 and the SW series. Once that is sorted out I get to read about all the different weight variations along with reading discussion on how the Taiwan coded raquets are less stiff than other country codes (I don't know about this btw my TW coded MX-80 is pretty stiff). I don't even know what their head light line is. And, what the heck are the bumble bee and hornet?

    Apacs; I split my time between Vancouver and Taiwan and I have yet to see an Apacs raquet in any shop. They also tend to get lost in the noise of other 'bargain brands' Winex, Mmoa, Dr. Pro etc. One or two of their models do seem to have a bit of a cult following with some in the badminton community but, I'm not going to try to hard to find one when I can just walk over to the local badminton shop and pick up a Yonex or Victor.

    Li-Ning; Still not as available as Yonex or Victor and I decided to spend the money on a motorbike instead.

    Panada Power; Not widely known. If I'm not mistaken you have to order directly from Panada. I maybe wrong on that though.

    It also comes down to simplicity. If someone is happy with Yonex racquets why would they bother with taking the time to research something else? You have to keep in mind not everyone may be the racquet enthusiast you are.

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    ^^^

    Agree with above. As in my case...I wanted a new racket. Went to TADs and it was like...huh?...all these other brands I don't know anything about!! Chose Yonex cuz it was a brand I was familiar with. When people are unsure...they will stick to something they know.

    Stumbled across this website which gave me more in-depth knowledge of other brands. And now...I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of my first Victor racket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    It's not that hard to figure out.

    Victor; Only slightly less expensive than Yonex. A little bit complicated for a new buyer to figure out. I want head heavy so I have to figure out the difference between the MX-80 and the SW series. Once that is sorted out I get to read about all the different weight variations along with reading discussion on how the Taiwan coded raquets are less stiff than other country codes (I don't know about this btw my TW coded MX-80 is pretty stiff). I don't even know what their head light line is. And, what the heck are the bumble bee and hornet?

    Apacs; I split my time between Vancouver and Taiwan and I have yet to see an Apacs raquet in any shop. They also tend to get lost in the noise of other 'bargain brands' Winex, Mmoa, Dr. Pro etc. One or two of their models do seem to have a bit of a cult following with some in the badminton community but, I'm not going to try to hard to find one when I can just walk over to the local badminton shop and pick up a Yonex or Victor.

    Li-Ning; Still not as available as Yonex or Victor and I decided to spend the money on a motorbike instead.

    Panada Power; Not widely known. If I'm not mistaken you have to order directly from Panada. I maybe wrong on that though.

    It also comes down to simplicity. If someone is happy with Yonex racquets why would they bother with taking the time to research something else? You have to keep in mind not everyone may be the racquet enthusiast you are.
    Well, he obviously bothered enough to post in a forum for advice.. And to state that Nanorays and VT80s are readily available in most shops is also quite an exhaggeration imop. Just becuase Yonex as a brand are avaialble in many places does not mean all models and versions are...

    And when it comes down to simplicity.. It is not as simple with Yonex, especially with all fakes!I see people with crappy yonex clones all the time.. So to say it is very simple to buy yonex and "be safe" is also a exhaggeration imop.

    You are right that victor is only slightly less expensive than YY. But if a model are both better AND little less expensive, Why pay extra just for the "tradition"?? The thing you need to sort out with how head-heavy you want and advice from others etc. are pretty much the same as I see it.. You can just browse this forum for questions like how much head heavier is VT80 compared to 900P or Arc-10/2UG5, AT700 etc etc.. Its neither more difficult nor easier to figure out the difference between a nanoray 700FX and an ARC10/3U than betwen a ArC10/3u and a MX-80, I think...

    "Li-Ning; Still not as available as Yonex or Victor and I decided to spend the money on a motorbike instead"

    I don't really understand what you mean by that.. LN prices are not THAT much higher than Yonex. If you mean you rather buy a motorbike instead of a new racket form LN, Victor, or Yonex, I can understand that. But then the point of what racket to buy becomes irrellevant anyway, if you really want a motorbike instead of a badminton racket..

    Basically most of your argument comes down to availability.. But I think most enthusiasts in this forum is looking for something with that little extra, and then I think you will have to resort to specialist shops or even online stores to get the latest and greatest stuff..recently i read about canadian owners trying to find stores with 3UG5/VT80 etc.. Many imported arc8dx from japan as it was not available locally etc. etc..

    If you dont care and just need a racket, I guess you do not turn to a forum for advice.. then you just grab a racket in the shop have a few swings and buy it ;-)

    If you care about rackets, I think it makes sense to consider all alternatives not just the limited selection from one brand.

    We live in a global world and using the internet to order stuff like rackets isn't really rocket science today.. And apart from the selection being huge compared to what a local shop can offer, the prices are usually also more competetive.. "The internets" :-) are here to stay I think..
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    i was the process of trying out different rackets and picking out "the one". and if i only stuck with yonex, i might be able to get use to a racket that i play well with, but i do see both sides of the argument. i guess i'm a weak player and quite picky myself and tho i haven't tried out every single brand, every single racket out there, i found my racket outside of the yonex catalog, tho i have tried quite a few yonex rackets as well since they are readily available in my area

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    Well, he obviously bothered enough to post in a forum for advice.. And to state that Nanorays and VT80s are readily available in most shops is also quite an exhaggeration imop. Just becuase Yonex as a brand are avaialble in many places does not mean all models and versions are...
    Depends on where you are of course and of course I can only speak for two locations, Vancouver and Taiwan. I grant you the point you make above because at the time of his posting Nanorays weren't even released yet. FYI, at every authorized dealer I've been to whether it is in Taiwan or Vancouver, if the model has been released the retailers have carried it. They seem to always have the full line. Conversely, Victor dealers here almost never have the full line up available.

    And when it comes down to simplicity.. It is not as simple with Yonex, especially with all fakes!I see people with crappy yonex clones all the time.. So to say it is very simple to buy yonex and "be safe" is also a exhaggeration imop.
    I'll probably end up making this point more than once so please bear with me; You have to remember that this is written by and written for someone who is a traditional Yonex customer who is familiar with their line up. It is also written from the perspective of such a user and what deters them from making the leap to other brands. As for the crappy Yonex clones, in my badminton career I've bought maybe around 100 raquets from Yonex NOT ONE has ever been a fake. If you buy from an authorized dealer you can be very sure you are going to get the real McCoy. However, if you expect that the $35.00 US VT80 you see on Ebay is the real deal you should be surprised to get anything but a fake.

    You are right that victor is only slightly less expensive than YY. But if a model are both better AND little less expensive, Why pay extra just for the "tradition"?? The thing you need to sort out with how head-heavy you want and advice from others etc. are pretty much the same as I see it.. You can just browse this forum for questions like how much head heavier is VT80 compared to 900P or Arc-10/2UG5, AT700 etc etc.. Its neither more difficult nor easier to figure out the difference between a nanoray 700FX and an ARC10/3U than betwen a ArC10/3u and a MX-80, I think...
    You have to remember that this is written by and written for someone who is a traditional Yonex customer who is familiar with their line up. It is also written from the perspective of such a user and what deters them from making the leap to other brands. So it's not about looking for a head heavy or head light racquet. It would be about being an user of an Armortec 900P for example, and wondering what the Victor equivalent would be. On BC you will get two suggestions, the MX line or the SW line. You can then check you their specs but that won't really give you much on how they feel. Furthermore you will start to read that their stiffness varies by country code with just adds more confusion. So, you look at their pricing and discover that the SW-35 and MX-80 are both more or less the same price as your Armourtec 900P. So why would you bother trying out an unknown from Victor when you can stick to what you know? For me the price would have to be 70% price of a Yonex for me to consider trying out the racquet.

    I don't really understand what you mean by that.. LN prices are not THAT much higher than Yonex. If you mean you rather buy a motorbike instead of a new racket form LN, Victor, or Yonex, I can understand that. But then the point of what racket to buy becomes irrellevant anyway, if you really want a motorbike instead of a badminton racket..
    Just a small joke about the price of the LN raquets. If I'm a Yonex customer isn't going to consider a slightly cheaper Victor that's sold in the same shop as the Yonex brands (as they are in many of the 'Yonex' stores here in Taiwan). They certainly aren't going pay more and put a lot more effort into finding a place to buy them. Unless they are hardcore Sinophiles.

    Basically most of your argument comes down to availability.. But I think most enthusiasts in this forum is looking for something with that little extra, and then I think you will have to resort to specialist shops or even online stores to get the latest and greatest stuff..recently i read about canadian owners trying to find stores with 3UG5/VT80 etc.. Many imported arc8dx from japan as it was not available locally etc. etc..
    Not really an argument. I was merely answering your question about you not understanding why more people don't switch (or something like that). I'm not making any judgement in this thread about which racquets or brand of racquets are better or worse.

    If you dont care and just need a racket, I guess you do not turn to a forum for advice.. then you just grab a racket in the shop have a few swings and buy it ;-)
    Sure I will. Even walking into a store, it pays to be informed. When Yonex cancelled the MP100 I turned to this forum to find out what a good equivalent would be. Someone said the 900P was, they were dead wrong but I went to the store and picked one up. Luckily, I ended up liking it even more than the MP100. I was lucky but it shows that advice from this forum should be taken with a grain of salt.

    If you care about rackets, I think it makes sense to consider all alternatives not just the limited selection from one brand.
    To an extent you're right however, there are limits to what lengths a consumer will go through in order to switch from his established brand to another.

    We live in a global world and using the internet to order stuff like rackets isn't really rocket science today.. And apart from the selection being huge compared to what a local shop can offer, the prices are usually also more competetive.. "The internets" :-) are here to stay I think..
    The internet is a great thing but you have to be far more informed. The odds of ending up with a fake go up quite a bit if you don't know what you are doing. In fact, I would argue that you have to be a far better informed consumer to buy of the internet than from your local shop. Second, having to order from across the globe would make me more risk adverse and thus less likely to try a different brand.

    I'm not arguing that other brands don't have anything to offer. My belief is actually to the contrary. I'm just giving you some reasons why an established Yonex player would resist changing. I'm not even going to say that these reason are 100% percent justified or 'right'. I'm merely saying that they exist and are a factor.

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    1) Master TB and Thunder made good arguments. Please read them
    2) Your friend is just chasing the latest and most expensive racquet. He does not know what he want. Just get a B500 and tell him it is $300 racquet.
    3) He needs lessen to improve his techniques. Just use the money for the new racquet to get some lessens. It is better that way. It is that stupid story about giving man a fish vs teach him how to fish thing.
    4) If he really want to buy a new racquet to replace his ARC10pg, VT80 plays better. That is my opinion.

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    Well written

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    well i think he should go with voltric 80 thats what im using anyways

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    I have the vt5 all the way up to the vt80 n the nr20 all te way up to the fx/rp.
    Both are different class of rackets all together.

    Like they say the vt are more for singles play whereas the nr are more for doubles.

    However,I would say that if your friend likes quick rackets,the nr would be a better choice.

    For offensive type of rackets,the vt are slightly over the edge.

    From your data,it seems that you are in sg,and a lot of the brands are easily available,like Li Ning,yonex,victor,apacs(I recommend them for their own line of rackets,not the clones)...

    My friends tested about 40 over pieces of my rackets before they decide on what they want,so to save time,why not go down to the shops and have a feel,since u say he is not a beginner,should know what he wants.
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    I just upgraded my ARC10 to a Li Ning N55, it is definitely an improvement for me, but I've just gotta try my BS12 tonight which looks amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiftlegend View Post
    I just upgraded my ARC10 to a Li Ning N55, it is definitely an improvement for me, but I've just gotta try my BS12 tonight which looks amazing!
    from looks only it is BS12>ARC10>N55
    from performance (singles) I would say N55>ARC10>BS12

    Interesting to hear your views,

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    from looks only it is BS12>ARC10>N55
    from performance (singles) I would say N55>ARC10>BS12

    Interesting to hear your views,

    Cheers,
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    Well I have to say after a three hour session this evening I love the BS12. I didn't play with my ARC10 once and had a couple of matches with the N55 but the BS12 just felt awesome. It may be down to it having new strings - VS850s which feel great but the stiffness of the racket was just right for me that I could get loads of power out of it, equally as much as the N55 if not more but with much better defense against smashes - I should point out this is all doubles. In singles I think the N55 would be better but for doubles I would definately pick the BS12. It makes me wanna try the BS11 which seems to be the preffered BS racket on BC.

    Edit: One other thing I feel about the ARC10 is that if you're not on form one evening then every shot is just a dull thud and you play worse, the ARC10 for me is only a great racket if you're playing at your best, if you're not it doesn't help you play better.
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