The Walkover & Withdrawal issue - rights and wrongs

[Yoppy]

I've started a new thread to deal specifically with issues directly associated with BWF and how BWF is managing the sport. I encourage all of you who are interested to please check out this thread and post and discuss your ideas, suggestions and criticisms.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...21#post1777921

I strongly believe that together, all of us have the power to effect positive change for our game. Your thoughts, objections and suggestions will eventualy matter.

Cobalt, I have compiled a full list of BWF councils and dept members email address, let me know if you need them. Whenever we ready we can start shooting our nukes at them.

[Yoppy]

shame on cba

[ishahloveain]

Another one happened.
Long Chen - Zengming Wang Walkover
I wish they will really get a very seriuos injury.

i really hope this will happen.

[cobalt]

Cobalt, I have compiled a full list of BWF councils and dept members email address, let me know if you need them. Whenever we ready we can start shooting our nukes at them.

Sure, but first we have to build the points and arguments!

[cobalt]

Havent heard the news regarding suspicious walkovers which BWF promised to investigate and discuss....Wonder whats going on in their meeting room.

Exactly so. The BWF's silence speaks volumes about their impotence.

[nokh88]

Cobalt, I have compiled a full list of BWF councils and dept members email address, let me know if you need them. Whenever we ready we can start shooting our nukes at them.

Sure, but first we have to build the points and arguments!

Take along Limsy to show the statistics.

[victory]

No pictures on a scorecard. So in your opnion if China are not the "best" who is?....Please be scotland..... please be scotland

Don't get me wrong. The chinese team won the most titles since they came into the scene in world badminton. They are the strongest. No doubt.

But since this is sport, sportsmanship and proffesionalism are very important. We just can not say people that do all sort of manipulations and punch below the belt are the best can't we?

As for the question of who is the best, we can open to the floor for discussion.

Err.....sorry mate, Scotland is not even near.

[cobalt]

...snip...
....Please be scotland..... please be scotland

Earth to craigandy.... come in, craigandy... .... .... Sir, I think we've lost him...

[cobalt]

The verdict is finally in, at the spot-fixing controversy that assailed the sport of cricket for the past year. Both accused players have been found guilt and now face jail sentences.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...ry/538829.html

Butt, Asif found guilty on both charges
Richard Sydenham at Southwark Crown Court
November 1, 2011

Excerpts:

The jury in the spot-fixing trial has found Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif guilty, by a unanimous verdict, on the charge of 'conspiracy to cheat' and both guilty by a 10-2 majority decision on the charge of 'conspiracy to obtain and accept corrupt payments'.

Mohammad Amir had pleaded guilty to the same charges on September 16 but the news could not be reported till now because of court restrictions in place.

The convictions - reached by the jury of the Southwark Crown Court in London after 16 hours and 56 minutes of debate - carry jail terms. The sentences will be pronounced by the judge, Justice Cooke, on Wednesday and Thursday and Friday.

[madbad]

The verdict is finally in, at the spot-fixing controversy that assailed the sport of cricket for the past year. Both accused players have been found guilt and now face jail sentences.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...ry/538829.html

Butt, Asif found guilty on both charges
Richard Sydenham at Southwark Crown Court
November 1, 2011

Excerpts:

The jury in the spot-fixing trial has found Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif guilty, by a unanimous verdict, on the charge of 'conspiracy to cheat' and both guilty by a 10-2 majority decision on the charge of 'conspiracy to obtain and accept corrupt payments'.

Mohammad Amir had pleaded guilty to the same charges on September 16 but the news could not be reported till now because of court restrictions in place.

The convictions - reached by the jury of the Southwark Crown Court in London after 16 hours and 56 minutes of debate - carry jail terms. The sentences will be pronounced by the judge, Justice Cooke, on Wednesday and Thursday and Friday.

From the same article:
"... a maximum prison sentence for the acceptance of corrupt payments is seven years in jail, while 'conspiracy to cheat' carries a maximum two-year sentence."

[cobalt]

Butt gets 2 years 6 months in jail, Asif gets 1 year, Amir six months
Richard Sydenham at Southwark Crown Court
November 3, 2011

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...ry/539063.html

Excerpts:

Salman Butt, the former Pakistan captain, has been sentenced to two years and six months in jail for his role in the spot-fixing case; Mohammad Asif has got a one-year jail sentence and Mohammad Amir six months. Mazhar Majeed, the players' agent, has been sentenced to two years and eight months.

The sentences were handed down in Southwark Crown Court on Thursday morning, bringing the curtains down on one of sport's most sordid and shameful scandals. The sentences are open to appeal and can be reduced to half the term for good behaviour.

The incarceration will begin immediately, with the players - who had all come to court with bags - due to be led into prison straight from the courtroom. It seems, in Amir's case, that he will be sent to a young offenders' detention centre instead of jail.

...Butt and Asif were found guilty of conspiracy to cheat and conspiracy to accept corrupt payments by a jury on Tuesday, while Majeed and Amir pleaded guilty at a pre-trial in September. It all followed the now infamous three pre-determined no-balls that were delivered in the Lord's Test match last year, two by Amir and one by Asif, orchestrated by Butt and arranged by Majeed.

[Chayady]

To add a reason why the wo and the withdrawal (over countryman) is very disgraceful to the sport, i think you guys should see this video to understand what is the true value of the sport.




I hope it will open your eyes (not those in your head, but deep inside your heart) that sport (any sports) should be played with courage, honor and dignity.

[cobalt]

Fixing to be illegal in Australia in 2012

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...ry/539193.html

Excerpts:

Fixing matches or elements within them will be illegal in Australia in 2012, perhaps as soon as March, as the federal and state governments push ahead with specialised legislation.

The legislation, which is set to include penalties of up to 10 years' jail for those found to be involved in match-fixing, was encouraged and informed by cricket administrators, via the Coalition of Major Participation and Professional Sports (COMPPS), following the game's long and pained history of shady dealings between players and illegal bookmakers.

State attorneys-general are scheduled to meet in Hobart later this month to discuss the legislation, which was agreed to by the federal and state sports ministers at a Council of Australian Governments meeting in Brisbane June. Support for the legislation on both sides of politics should hasten its speedy progress into law.

[renbo]

Some of us hold the opinion that if CHN team fix matches, it is because they have opportunities, having so many top players, and that other countries would do the same if they had the occasion (that match fixing was not related to how different countries see the game).
Well at the recent Danish open, we have seen a very good quarter final between Axelsen and Gade, a fierce struggle that went for three games, though a semi-final was very valuable for Gade (a step closer to avoid CJ in his OLY path next year, and a fake semi-final LD-CJ). So there was an important stake, but there was no way one of the two player would let go.

[limsy]

Take along Limsy to show the statistics.

suddenly i saw my name here after 2 weeks
hope that bc have tag function just like facebook
so we can aware of who talking to us
haha

[victory]

Some of us hold the opinion that if CHN team fix matches, it is because they have opportunities, having so many top players, and that other countries would do the same if they had the occasion (that match fixing was not related to how different countries see the game).
Well at the recent Danish open, we have seen a very good quarter final between Axelsen and Gade, a fierce struggle that went for three games, though a semi-final was very valuable for Gade (a step closer to avoid CJ in his OLY path next year, and a fake semi-final LD-CJ). So there was an important stake, but there was no way one of the two player would let go.

In most cases, law breakers around the world will always say something that carry this message-------- if you are in my shoes, you will do the same. Never mind their language. Never mind what they actually say. The message is the same. Why? Indecency loves company.

They ratioanalize their unruly behaviours so that they feel less guilty. They think they can suck others into their hole of negativity so that others feel they are less guilty.

But the again and again, we see many wants to stand at moral high ground.

Thank you Axelson and Gade for standing at moral high ground to protect the dignity and professionalism of badminton. Kudos to both of you. Kudos to the dane.

Thank you Renbo for highlighting it to all of us and especially to some of us that think what CBA and Lin dan does is okay.

What the dane did was right and it reflect how wrong and how shameful it was for LD and CBA to manipulate the matches.

[nokh88]

suddenly i saw my name here after 2 weeks
hope that bc have tag function just like facebook
so we can aware of who talking to us
haha

Your name is everywhere.