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09-29-2011, 08:13 PM #86
I cannot agree with your arguments, Twobeer. I don't think the win/lost of LCW has something to do with the protest we have here. There have been too much tricks played by CHN team lately ; like someone said above, it is now a pattern which we can forecast.
Another point is matches between fellows from the same country are not necessarily a bore. The final in the 08OLY between ZN and XXF was a thriller, for example. (One of the best match I have seen).
One of the thing that infuriates many, or at least myself, is that if LD (to take him) does not want to play all the way to the final, why does he come to the tourney? He should stay at home and give room to players he beat in the first rounds.
09-29-2011, 09:42 PM #87
Recent case in point: Markis Kido playing at the Japan Open while carrying over a fever from the night before. He and Hendra finally went down in flames to their own countrymen (and Kido's brother, no less!!) but I didn't even see a "retired" next to the scoreline; much less "walkover." And who was the other player who played with the other hand when his/her right hand was injured?
In the round of 16 at the same tournament, CSC retired halfway through the second game with a foot injury, and JJS/YYS also retired halfway through the second game against the Chinese MD pair because of injury.
What is common so far is that they all gave it their best right up till the moment they knew they could not go on without major injury risk. They didn't care who was on the other side of the net. And they were not ordered by their coaches to walk away.
Later in the day of the round of 16, LD spoke to the press about how he was "careless" in the second game against LHI, but there was no mention yet about any possible niggles he may be having. 3 days later, right at the predicted moment, he gives his compatriot a walkover; the toe injury gets bad enough at just the right moment.
At the same event in the Semi-finals, I did see 2 "walkover" results: Wang Yihan v/s Liu Xin, and Chen Long v/s Lin Dan. How can Chinese team injuries always get unbearable only when the "injured" player has to play against a compatriot?
09-30-2011, 12:39 AM #88
BTW, you always have the option of controlling the outcome of a match.. if you are good enough...
I agree that WOs are not what we fans want... But I think you are exhaggerating how much the "fans" really looks forward to a team "internal" semi anyway
... To me it seems more like the ones that are "pissed" that LCW didn't win wine about it and focuses on the WO rather than the fact that a) the singles final was great badminton b) CL spent more time on court in JO than LCW despite the WO! c) LCW was not in his greatest form.
As a fan I looked at it this way.. LD and LCW almost always comes up against eachother in all tournaments.. and frankly I thought it was more enjoyable to watch something "different" in this JO final.. So CL vs. LCW was a great final matchup. I would not be so excited to watch a sparring match (how many times do you think LD and CL plays eachother on a day-to-day basis).. They know each other too well, and with no coaching there will be even less "tactical" issues. Quite a boring match up anyway for fans imop.
Your logic is gooofy.. By forcing LD to play with a minor injury would not raise the quality of the game at all.
But I really don't think you believe this is just an injury either. I think you know perfectly well what's going on but I suppose you have a job to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
Out of curiosity, what's your rate?
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09-30-2011, 06:27 AM #89
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09-30-2011, 06:53 AM #90
In sports the outcome of the match has to come from the skill of the player.
In basic law it stated that player must give their maximum effort to win the game.
And i don;t understand what do you mean by controlling the outcome of the game.
The game/match is decided by the skill of the player. If you are good enough you should win the game (not wo or retired).
09-30-2011, 06:58 AM #91
Twobeer needs three beer now
09-30-2011, 11:32 AM #92
09-30-2011, 01:24 PM #93
If a player do not want to win it doesn't really make sense for him to compete (morally).. But it ridicilous to even think that a player HAVE to go "all in" all the time..
09-30-2011, 01:25 PM #94
09-30-2011, 02:01 PM #95
And if you are a true fan of badminton as you say, you should really appreciate the final game, and the tournament in whole.. But to me it sounds more like you are pissed that China dominates to much, and seeks justification for your disslike of their strength.
10-01-2011, 02:36 AM #96
Here is the Player's code of conduct for you to read and understand. (http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=35803)
Can you show me which section that govern the maximum effort?
10-01-2011, 03:35 AM #97
4.5 Failure to use best efforts
Not using one’s best efforts to win a match.
Not sure if it's a rules book. But looks/sounds really strange (and even silly) to put something like this that can't possibly be enforced in it.
I'm not sure whether one would conserve more energy by playing his best (thus finishing his match quicker), or not putting in his 100% effort (thus possibly taking him longer to finish). Nevertheless, energy conversation should cross every competitor's mind, if they've any intent to last till the end.
10-01-2011, 08:05 AM #98
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10-01-2011, 09:17 AM #99
[QUOTE=twobeer;1765769]Sorry.. But, I feel certain that what you say is utterly nonsense! If you let LYB choose in JO draw if he wants CL on the upper LCW half and LD on the lower or both CL and LD on the lower half.. He would tell you he would rather have CL on the opposite half. If you do not think this is true, I think you should read up a bit on the complaints from team China when BWF changed the country separation rules of the draws..QUOTEl LYB preferred the JO draw to have CL in LCW s half and LD the other half? But that s exactly LYB s desired draw in INA PSS and AE PSS! And LCW championed in both. You sound like you re getting mixed up. Try cutting down to one beer and see if thinking clears up?
10-01-2011, 09:53 AM #100
Originally Posted by pjswift
Regardless of beers, but I do recognize the difference in LCWs form in INA/AE as well. Maybe LCWs 21-11, 21-7 against Gade in INA and his 21-18 in the THIRD against Tago this JO, tells you something about his form?
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10-01-2011, 11:42 AM #101
10-01-2011, 01:05 PM #102
Li Ling Wei is CHN OLY council rep and she does not condone match fixing, but still this goes on. Even CHN fans said CHN does not need to do that, the country overall players are better than the rest of the world. That tells us who has the power in CHN badminton council. LYB is given the political authority to continue doing WO, match fixing, etc. so this status quo will not change. From a fan that actually pays to see an event hoping for a great game but getting a WO instead, how would you feel if you that fan, especially if that fan has to take a flight from another country, pay hotel accommodation and take vacation time to take in that event? Just a thought.
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