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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    maybe chinese fans/player never understand why people will praise lina but not xu chen.
    Also, it's difficult to understand CHN fans.

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    2003 events :
    4 stars and above : AE, JPN, KOR, WC, SPORE, INA, MAS, DEN, HK, CHN
    play until finish CHN vs CHN : 11, 6, 1, 7, 9, 1, 7, 6, 8, 17. TOTAL = 73 matches
    retire or w/o when CHN vs CHN : XXF vs Wang Chen (AE 03), CQQ/ZTT vs CL/SY (WC 03), ZN vs ZM and GL/HS vs YW/ZJW (INA 03), GR vs LWY and LD vs ZWL (CHN 03). TOTAL = 6 matches
    % w/o or ret : 6 / 79 matches = 7.59 %
    2004 events :
    4 stars and above : AE, KOR, JPN, MAS, OG, DEN, CHN, SPORE, INA. (no competition for HK 04 as 5 stars events). http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ton-World-2004
    play until finish CHN vs CHN : 5, 4, 2, 6, 3, 5, 16, 3, 4. TOTAL = 48 matches
    retire or w/o when CHN vs CHN : GL/HS vs YW/ZJW (AE 04), XXZ vs CY (CHN 04), and Gong Ruina vs Zhang Ning : 1-0, 11-6 ??? (Jpn 04) . http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...17732D&draw=10
    % w/o or ret : 3 / 51 matches = 5.88 %
    Only 7.6% and 5.9% when BWF quite fair to China. in total for 2 full years (2003 to 2004), only 9 w/o or ret when CHN vs CHN in 130 matches, means only 6.9%. I already proved my words, limsy. now it is your turn to prove that BWF / IOC unfair decision has no relation with China w/o or ret
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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    yesterday,li na fall and injured.but she keep on playing until the endthis is the spirit and pride of sport.unlike some ugly scene we seen in badminton
    15 years ago, Sun Jun suffered cramped during 1997 WC finals against Rasmussen, but he still playing until finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    2003 events :2004 events :Only 7.6% and 5.9% when BWF quite fair to China. in total for 2 full years (2003 to 2004), only 9 w/o or ret when CHN vs CHN in 130 matches, means only 6.9%. I already proved my words, limsy. now it is your turn to prove that BWF / IOC unfair decision has no relation with China w/o or ret
    Hey man !!! wow.. I really appreciate your effort .. . You are trying your best to support you country. Thats the spirit.

    Only one question from my side for you. Just come out of your country 'backup' and talk as a neutral person, do you wanna make it a point that walkover is a correct one for the badminton hereafter???? or just wanted to defend your country ???.

    All the statistics data are ok . But what do you wanna infer from it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    2003 events :2004 events :Only 7.6% and 5.9% when BWF quite fair to China. in total for 2 full years (2003 to 2004), only 9 w/o or ret when CHN vs CHN in 130 matches, means only 6.9%. I already proved my words, limsy. now it is your turn to prove that BWF / IOC unfair decision has no relation with China w/o or ret
    how to define fair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Hey man !!! wow.. I really appreciate your effort .. . You are trying your best to support you country. Thats the spirit.

    Only one question from my side for you. Just come out of your country 'backup' and talk as a neutral person, do you wanna make it a point that walkover is a correct one for the badminton hereafter???? or just wanted to defend your country ???.

    All the statistics data are ok . But what do you wanna infer from it???
    I think Fortune point is that it is OK to do something bad when you feel you are being treated unfairly(or when you do not like some rules).

    Tit for tat.

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    our talk about data would not make sense, if we don't have exact standard of which is considered low or high, few or many etc.

    ex: 10 is a way too small compared to 10000, and considered so high compared to 1.

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    1999 events :
    KOR, AE, JPN, WC, MAS, INA, DEN, CHN, SPORE
    play until finish CHN vs CHN : 4, 4, 6, 1, 8, 0, 3, 40, 1 TOTAL = 76 matches
    retire or w/o when CHN vs CHN : 0 match
    2000 events :
    AE, JPN, MAS, OG, KOR, INA, DEN
    play until finish CHN vs CHN : 5, 7, 4, 3, 0, 0, 7. [/B]TOTAL = 26 matches[/B]
    retire or w/o when CHN vs CHN : MS @ Jpn 2000. Total : 1 match
    2001 events :
    KOR, JPN, AE, WC
    play until finish CHN vs CHN : 1, 9, 5, 7TOTAL = 22 matches
    retire or w/o when CHN vs CHN : 0 match
    TOTAL matches from 1999 - 2001 : 124 matches ; ret or w/o : 1 match
    % w/o or ret : 1 / 125 matches = 0.8%
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosid View Post
    our talk about data would not make sense, if we don't have exact standard of which is considered low or high, few or many etc.ex: 10 is a way too small compared to 10000, and considered so high compared to 1.
    that's why I used % to make it clear. from Jan 1999 - May 2001, using 15 x 3 scoring system (bcoz in 7x5 scoring system, tournamentsoftware only display the first 3 sets ; so I don't know if w/o or ret happened in the 4th set or 5 sets or not)...only 1 ret or w/o during 124 matches, means only 0.8%. that was happened when one country are allowed to have 7 players in 1 disciplines in 2001 World Championships. http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...7A218D2&draw=3. but now, after BWF unfair regulation targetting CHN players, the rate is about 20% - 25%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sen View Post
    I think Fortune point is that it is OK to do something bad when you feel you are being treated unfairly(or when you do not like some rules).Tit for tat.
    as long as no doping, then my answer is yes. You are right. That's what I meant. I think other country also wants to fulfill the maximum quota, so maybe they will do the same. Surely this is only my prediction, since BWF regulations still not targetting several badminton powerhouses likes INA, KOR and Denmark

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Hey man !!! wow.. I really appreciate your effort .. . You are trying your best to support you country. Thats the spirit. Only one question from my side for you. Just come out of your country 'backup' and talk as a neutral person, do you wanna make it a point that walkover is a correct one for the badminton hereafter???? or just wanted to defend your country ???.All the statistics data are ok . But what do you wanna infer from it???
    lots of talks. Where is your critics to KOR MD, WD, and XD when they retired or w/o during last year SS finals ? where is it ? also, where is your critics to saina nehwal and Taufik when they do w/o or retired ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    how to define fair?
    in 2001 WC, China have 7 WS players, so why now they only can have 4 players ? also, OG spots for singles is 3 players, but why SS finals only allowed 2 players / country ??? don't forget, SS finals offers huge points

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    edit : for 1999 events, it should be CHN vs CHN = 67 matches, not 76 matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    in 2001 WC, China have 7 WS players, so why now they only can have 4 players ? also, OG spots for singles is 3 players, but why SS finals only allowed 2 players / country ??? don't forget, SS finals offers huge points
    i see.
    so if 7= fair? 2 or 3 = not fair?

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    % w/o or ret from Jan 1999 - May 2001 : 1 / 116 matches = 0.86 %

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    i see.so if 7= fair? 2 or 3 = not fair?
    I don't know exactly the regulation for 2001 WC. But for me, if lower ranked player / pair from XYZ country can go to OG / WC while world #8 or 10 from China can not, that I said not fair. And yeah, where is your prove that it has no relation ? Where is it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    please create your own thread if u were to talk about olympic unfairness.your post in 181,182 and 184 is 0% related to this thread.thanks for cooperation.
    only 1 retirement out of 65 matches of CHN vs CHN during 2000 OG qualification period, means only 1.51 %. Compare it with 12 or even 13 ret or w/o during 2008 OG qualification period within 65 - 70 matches of CHN vs CHN. 0 % related ? LOL. Prove it
    Last edited by Fortune; 01-30-2013 at 09:46 PM.

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