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    again i stress
    this thread is merely for the record of walkover and retired between same country player since 2006.
    other matter is out of discussion.
    as i said earlier,u can create your own thread about your data and not hijack mine.
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    lots of talks. Where is your critics to KOR MD, WD, and XD when they retired or w/o during last year SS finals ? where is it ? also, where is your critics to saina nehwal and Taufik when they do w/o or retired ???
    lots of talks - Thanks..

    where is your critics to saina nehwal and Taufik when they do w/o or retired ??? - Friend, Thanks for remembering me. This is my duty as well to make you to remember the topic again. As limsy mentioned earlier, this topic is particularly about "Record of walkover and retired between same country player since 2006". If you wanna open a separate thread for discussing those things which you mentioned, i will definitely help you in giving my valuable critics as you are very much interested in..!!

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    Wow!What the heck is this all about...?
    Just because the number is constrained doesn't mean that they are being unfair.
    This is not limited to only badminton,but tennis too(may be other sports too,I don't know).
    The point he is making has no sense.
    If we take what he is saying into account,
    In tennis,only four members are allowed from a country in olympics.And only top 56 are allowed.But we have 9 Spain players,& 7 france players in top 56.They never complained that they are unfairly treated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    again i stressthis thread is merely for the record of walkover and retired between same country player since 2006.other matter is out of discussion.
    first, who talk about olympic's spirit first ? second,how about post #60 & 63 ? http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...nce-2006/page4
    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Luckily for LCW, his victory over LD in AE11 proves that he does not have to wait for LD to retire to reach his destination. But there s nothing LCW can do if the coward keeps running away from him. ( A fast improving CL, WZM is a long way away. These guys are rote trained so they can upset when another WO is arranged. Now if the draw can be done like in JO for a perfect relay act...well, if some underdogs are decent skilled and smart, they know they have the best chance to take out CHN youngsters, like INA MS Hayom did.)
    this will lead into LD vs LCW rivalry which is clearly out of topic. instead of remind pjswift to stay on topic, the thread starter even add more "spices" into the out of topic post
    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    when lcw won ae 2010,ld fans said ld let lcw win a majorwhen lcw beat ld in ae 2011,ld fans said since it wasn't a major,so ld dont take it seriouslyso in some way,i glad that lcw didnt beat ld in wc,if not,ld fans will say og will be the only major(and some so called greatest prize money tournament)let see what ld fans said if he win the ssmf this year
    lol. clearly out of topic but you can discuss it. but for me, even though it is very related, it can't discuss in this thread
    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    as i said earlier,u can create your own thread about your data and not hijack mine.thanks
    lol. Just bcoz you can't proved your own words so you ask me to open another thread ? fantastic

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    lots of talks - Thanks.. where is your critics to saina nehwal and Taufik when they do w/o or retired ??? - Friend, Thanks for remembering me. This is my duty as well to make you to remember the topic again. As limsy mentioned earlier, this topic is particularly about "Record of walkover and retired between same country player since 2006". If you wanna open a separate thread for discussing those things which you mentioned, i will definitely help you in giving my valuable critics as you are very much interested in..!!
    several off topic posts is ok as long as it is comment about china negative. But when I present the facts that bwf is the part to blame for china ret or w/o after bwf set unfair regulation, so why I have toopen another thread ? It is very related, so every one knows who's to blame

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    Quote Originally Posted by depleter View Post
    Wow!What the heck is this all about...?Just because the number is constrained doesn't mean that they are being unfair.
    what are you talking about ? from 7 spots in the past and now it's only 4 spots, is it fair ? if world # 50, 60, and 70 can go to World Championships while world # 9, 10 and 11 can not go, is this fair ?
    Quote Originally Posted by depleter View Post
    This is not limited to only badminton,but tennis too(may be other sports too,I don't know).The point he is making has no sense.If we take what he is saying into account,
    if that's the case, then why BWF only targetting China as the strongest country in badminton ? why BWF didn't set the rule that 3 players / pairs can go to WC as long as they are in top 12 instead of 3 in top 24 ? this will make INA, DEN, and KOR is difficult to have 3 reps in WC lol http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...-qualification
    Quote Originally Posted by depleter View Post
    In tennis,only four members are allowed from a country in olympics.And only top 56 are allowed.But we have 9 Spain players,& 7 france players in top 56.They never complained that they are unfairly treated.
    in badminton, IOC and BWF only allows 3 spots per countries if they are in top 4...formerly 3 in top 8. however, the regulation for other strong countries still the same. In 2008, China only have 2 reps in OG, bcoz XZB / ZYW only as world #5. However, Indonesia that already have 5 - 6 spots in OG 2012, also get wild card in WS, so they have all reps in all 5 sectors. wow. fantastic. I think IOC wants to make badminton more popular around the world, but why they give the OG ticket to Indonesia instead of the third world country in badminton ???
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    Actually there was a few comparisions between same country & different country walkovers, retirements in earlier pages. I think I did for LCW, PG, Taufik for 1 year, just some stats to show the difference with LD, CJ, CL, BCL. The percentage of difference is rather substantial.

    For non CHina players, one can calculate the same country and different country data fast, can divide to 'walkover', retired', 'did not participate/withdraw before tournament started' some more. Because.... not as many to count as most of the time they played.

    BUT, dont request I do the calculations for all, that would be tedious. If you're interested, do the calculations yourself, the BWF ranking page is there for all to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    what are you talking about ? from 7 spots in the past and now it's only 4 spots, is it fair ? if world # 50, 60, and 70 can go to World Championships while world # 9, 10 and 11 can not go, is this fair ?if that's the case, then why BWF only targetting China as the strongest country in badminton ? why BWF didn't set the rule that 3 players / pairs can go to WC as long as they are in top 12 instead of 3 in top 24 ? this will make INA, DEN, and KOR is difficult to have 3 reps in WC lol http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...-qualification in badminton, IOC and BWF only allows 3 spots per countries if they are in top 4...formerly 3 in top 8. however, the regulation for other strong countries still the same. In 2008, China only have 2 reps in OG, bcoz XZB / ZYW only as world #5. However, Indonesia that already have 7 - 8 spots in OG 2012, also get wild card in WS, so they have all reps in all 5 sectors. wow. Fantastic. I think IOC wants to make badminton more popular around the world, but why they give the OG ticket to Indonesia instead of the third world country in badminton ???
    I would say that many countries are affected by rules in other sports too. In badminton, there was a time when Japan WD were affected by the maximum numbers rule.

    However, some people would try to do something while some would not.

    And some fans would support the moves by reasoning that it is not their fault while some other fans are not supporting it.

    And I did not understand what you mean by wild card in WS for OG 2012. Maybe you should check again the definition of wild card. I think in OG 2012, all INA representatives qualify by the rules.
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    Btw, Limsy, did you do the record for 2012? Do you mind to repost as it has gotten lost in the clutter.

    Scorpion, why dont you do one for Saina for the year 2011 and 2012, same country and different country add up together also I think would not be many We dont argue with other arguements, just put up the stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sen View Post
    I would say that many countries are affected by rules in other sports too. In badminton, there was a time when Japan WD were affected by the maximum numbers rule.
    Japan WD ? may I know when is it ? and they are in top 12 ? top 24 ? or top 32 ?
    Quote Originally Posted by sen View Post
    And I did not understand what you mean by wild card in WS for OG 2012. Maybe you should check again the definition of wild card. I think in OG 2012, all INA representatives qualify by the rules.
    are u sure ? febe ranked # 33, firda # 38, but it is firda that goes to olympics. i'm sure you can read an article in bahasa Indonesia, right ? here is it : http://olahraga.kompas.com/read/2012...ri.Tak.Sportif
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    I give one example :
    Lee Chong Wei for the year 2012 :
    Walkover : 1, SS Finals. Conceded walkover to Boonsak & Hu Yun at group stage
    Retired : 1, TC 2012 vs Peter Gade, this was the ankle injury
    Withdrawn before tournament started : 5- Swiss GP Gold, Indonesia(due to ankle injury), France(marriage preparation),China(marriage), Macau GP Gold

    Walkover =1/17(5.89%). Retired= 1/17(5.89%).
    Withdrawn before tournament started =5/17(29.41%)
    The percentage for withdrawing from tournament at 29.41% is LCW's career highest I think

    Withdrawn before tournament started is put into another category as BWF may do & have done before a redraw depending on when the player withdraw. We also dont know who the player was supposed to be playing against when we look back the tournament page
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    from Jan 1999 - May 2001 : w/o or ret during Chn vs Chn was only 1 match. However, Chn players conceded w/o or ret to other countries (at least) 6 times ! 4 times during Korea open 1999, and @ 1 match during AE & Jpn 1999

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    Japan WD ? may I know when is it ? and they are in top 12 ? top 24 ? or top 32 ?are u sure ? febe ranked # 33, firda # 38, but it is firda that goes to olympics. 'm sure you can read an article in bahasa Indonesia, right ? here is it : http://olahraga.kompas.com/read/2012...ri.Tak.Sportif
    Kompas is often wrong too. There is no wildcard. Wildcard by definition is not that. Yes, Febe is ranked higher than Firda but sending Firda instead of Febe is not called giving Firda wildcard. Check the definition of wildcard in IOC instead of kompas.



    Shizuka Natsuo/Mami Naito were ranked 7 but did not go to Olympics because there were 2 higher ranked Japanese WD.

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    Eagle, your example on LCW is irrelevant to the thread title.
    And I don't think LCW has the luxury of giving walkovers to his countryman and the reason is obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    Eagle, your example on LCW is irrelevant to the thread title.
    And I don't think LCW has the luxury of giving walkovers to his countryman and the reason is obvious.
    I know LCW dont have that luxury. Just showing LCW seldom give walkovers or retirements in the 1st place, same as many non China players. Whether same country, different country, different half country(England/Scotland) also it's less often when compared
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    if BWF (and IOC) is fair for every countries, then China will not deploy this "dirty" tactic, just like in the past...surely this thread will never appear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    several off topic posts is ok as long as it is comment about china negative. But when I present the facts that bwf is the part to blame for china ret or w/o after bwf set unfair regulation, so why I have toopen another thread ? It is very related, so every one knows who's to blame
    What BWF has to do with all the walkovers done by a particular country's players???. If he/she does it for the sake of his country in order for any reason(to gain ranking points or any other reason), would it be due to the impact of BWF?? . Not at all in any case ... No other country is doing that kind of act continuously in recent years(whole world knows that) . If you do something and blaming others for that act is not at all good thing to do in any kind of sport. .

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