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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    But When LD gives LCW an easy win fans are Happy.. If he gives a CHN-player an easy win fans are mad.. Pretty inconsistent reasoning :-)
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    I cannot recall if Lin Dan has given a walkover to LCW before.

    But Lin Dan has given walkovers to teammates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    I cannot recall if Lin Dan has given a walkover to LCW before.

    But Lin Dan has given walkovers to teammates.
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    Ohh. I thought the discussion was about playing your best effort and giving 100%. I dont see a big difference in WO and not putting max effort into it?

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    Lightbulb To give a walkover is giving no effort at all

    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    Ohh. I thought the discussion was about playing your best effort and giving 100%. I dont see a big difference in WO and not putting max effort into it?
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    I am not quite understanding this comment; "I don't see a big difference in WO and not putting max effort into it?".

    To me, to give a walkover is to give no effort at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    I am not quite understanding this comment; "I don't see a big difference in WO and not putting max effort into it?".

    To me, to give a walkover is to give no effort at all.
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    It may even be more effort.. to handle the media and fans afterwards, on a WO :-) .

    What I meant is there has been major critisism about "fixed" matches that was played, accusing players of not "trying" their max.

    Giving WO is perhaps even more "honest" (at least for people placing bets and gambling on the matches) than to play best effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    It may even be more effort.. to handle the media and fans afterwards, on a WO :-) .

    What I meant is there has been major critisism about "fixed" matches that was played, accusing players of not "trying" their max.

    Giving WO is perhaps even more "honest" (at least for people placing bets and gambling on the matches) than to play best effort.
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    OK. Have a read of this thread;

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...adminton-match
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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    But When LD gives LCW an easy win fans are Happy.. If he gives a CHN-player an easy win fans are mad.. Pretty inconsistent reasoning :-)
    when?proof?
    the 1st sentence wasn't any proof

    while the 2nd sentence,yes

    so i dont know how u conclude in 3rd sentence?
    this post was pretty inconsistent and make no sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    But When LD gives LCW an easy win fans are Happy.. If he gives a CHN-player an easy win fans are mad.. Pretty inconsistent reasoning :-)
    Nice try, slipping that one in...
    Time maybe for you to return to Earth, though, for some air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    when?proof?
    the 1st sentence wasn't any proof

    while the 2nd sentence,yes

    so i dont know how u conclude in 3rd sentence?
    this post was pretty inconsistent and make no sense
    Aahh, so then we are picky about "proof".. But when LD reports injury and cannot play we DONT NEED proof before passing judgement that it must be match fixing :-D

    cheers,
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    Arrow I think we are in a mess because we are talking about different things

    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    Aahh, so then we are picky about "proof".. But when LD reports injury and cannot play we DONT NEED proof before passing judgement that it must be match fixing :-D

    cheers,
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    I think we are in a mess because we are talking about different things.

    To me;
    (1) Retired = Match played but stopped half way and a victory is awarded.
    (2) Walkover = No match played and a victory is awarded.
    (3) Match-fixing = Match played with a pre-determined result, violating the rules of the game and often the law.

    I think this thread is about (1) and (2). Let us leave (3) out.

    Although (1) and (2) are not considered as violating the rules/laws of the games when victory is given to teammates, I know some of us will suspect some foul/unfair play.

    When victory is given to non-teammates under (1) and (2), usually no one will say that it is 'unfair' play.


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    I was once watched the MS final of 1997 WC, Sun Jun Vs Peter Rusmussen.

    Its was a Sun Jun who got injury in his tight but Sun Jun's never give- up attitude thats impressed me so much......obviously, the injury was a 'genuine' one, Sun Jun has to asked for medical several times and still insisted to play on despite the pain he has to suffer........thats the spirit of sport.

    People always said, we only remember the winner, no one cares about who is runner up but for me, Sun Jun's spirit impressed me and i still have the impression of how he played more than Peter Rusmussen's......in that match.

    Of course, this match was played not between team-mates la........LOL

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    Yes. so that's a different case.. OUT out LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    Yes. so that's a different case.. OUT out LOL
    If you do notice, that's his usual style.... hoping into many different (irrelevant) points and before long, everybody got so confused by it.

    Oh btw I am not referring to Jasonmarc haha.
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    Btw, during the recently concluded denmark open, Jiang yan jiao conceded a walkover to wang yi han. What's the reason given this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    Btw, during the recently concluded denmark open, Jiang yan jiao conceded a walkover to wang yi han. What's the reason given this time?
    Maybe JYJ doesn't wish to participate in the 2012 OG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
    Maybe JYJ doesn't wish to participate in the 2012 OG?
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    The chief coach li yongbo has already decided WYH WX WSX will participate 2012 OG, JYJ has been ruled out because of her bad performance in important matches. That's why she didn't appear in a several SS.

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    Maybe JYJ role is as a spoiler to halt the progress of other formidable players from reaching the SF and have a shot at the titles.

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    will update this after the french open concluded since there is still some possible walkover match
    haha!

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