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    Quote Originally Posted by laonong View Post
    what's the wo rate per country?
    why dont u contribute about the wo rate per country?
    not doing charity

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    why dont u contribute about the wo rate per country?
    not doing charity
    I do not know where to find the data. since you know how to find LD's data, I thought it might be easy for you to find the complete data.

    My impression based on this forum that CHN should have higher rate of WO but since you said you want to complain to BWF, you better to have more data to support your claim. Otherwise your complain would just be ignored.

    If you have complete data, I can analyze it for you.

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    to Yoppy:
    Not complete at all if you understand the question
    Last edited by laonong; 10-31-2011 at 08:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    And Im sure some more were happening prior to 2011 too
    It gets 'interesting' during OG qualification period. The 2007 to April 2008 time was pretty amusing sometimes


    Limsy, you check match by match on TS is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laonong View Post
    Not complete at all if you understand the question
    Look up BWF ranking : http://bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14955
    Data comes from there for BWF sanctioned tournaments
    Example : I'm looking at Peter Gade's list of tournaments now :
    http://bwfcontent.tournamentsoftware...B9818&player=4
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 10-31-2011 at 08:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laonong View Post
    I do not know where to find the data. since you know how to find LD's data, I thought it might be easy for you to find the complete data.

    My impression based on this forum that CHN should have higher rate of WO but since you said you want to complain to BWF, you better to have more data to support your claim. Otherwise your complain would just be ignored.

    If you have complete data, I can analyze it for you.
    do u found any sentence about me talking that i want to complain to bwf?
    when?
    where?
    which thread?
    which post?
    try to find and show me,then i do the data for u
    lol

    anyway,i dont think the 22.22% and 25.9% walkover or retired rate is reasonable at all
    do u think it is acceptable?


    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    It gets 'interesting' during OG qualification period. The 2007 to April 2008 time was pretty amusing sometimes


    Limsy, you check match by match on TS is it?
    yes,so when u want to join my game of statistic?haha
    or u too busy lately?

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    In 2011, Peter Gade did not withdraw from any invididual tournaments. Withdraw as in his name was in then he withdraw entry before draw was made or shown as WDN in TS.
    In 2010, PG did not participate in Denmark SS, Macau GP Gold, China SS, Hong Kong SS. In Macau, China & HK, PG was 2nd seed but his name was not in the draw. PG gave walkover to Wong WK during 2010 Denmark SS. I vaguely recall he was suffering some sort of injury during this time, could be withdraw before tournament started/before draw was made.
    So, it's either 4 out of 13 individual tourneys or 1 out of 13. The one walkover was with different country player

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    yes,so when u want to join my game of statistic?haha
    or u too busy lately?
    Today more free, so do some of the MS. The withdraw, you have to count only when they are supposed to have opponent right? If not, dont know if against which opponent, like PG case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Today more free, so do some of the MS. The withdraw, you have to count only when they are supposed to have opponent right? If not, dont know if against which opponent, like PG case.
    actually it is very convinient

    let say from here,the final of french
    http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...E35&d=20111030

    then u click on lcw name
    http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...E35&player=182
    then u can see the opponent for whole french open

    if u scroll down,u will see a long list of tournament that lcw participated
    u can click to either tournament to check

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    Taufik Hidayat, Indonesia
    In 2011, he retired 1 out of 16 individual tournaments, to Chen Long in SS Finals(Jan 2011). Taufik did not participate in China Masters, Msia GP Gold, entry submitted, name not in draw.
    In 2010, Taufik also did not participate in China Masters, US GP Gold, Msia GP Gold. No retired or walkovers in individual tourneys.

    Lee Chong Wei, Malaysia
    In 2011, out of 13 individual tourneys, he did not participate in German GP Gold & China Masters. Entry submitted, name not in draw.
    In 2010, out of 12 individual tourneys(Commonwealth not counted), LCW did not participate in China Masters
    No retirements or wallkovers for both years.

    Whoever wants to continue for top 10 players, most welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post

    if u scroll down,u will see a long list of tournament that lcw participated
    u can click to either tournament to check
    Yeah, I know, that's the usual way I do also. It's still rather tedious

    Continued with
    Lee Hyun Il, Korea
    In 2011, he did not retire or walkover any individual tournaments
    In 2010, he retired once & walkover once out of 6 individual tournaments. Retired in Korea GP vs China's Wang ZM, walkover to LCW in Macau
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 10-31-2011 at 09:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyangel View Post
    The chief coach li yongbo has already decided WYH WX WSX will participate 2012 OG, JYJ has been ruled out because of her bad performance in important matches. That's why she didn't appear in a several SS.
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    That's what I've thought too.
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    The problem with this kind of statistics is that there really isn't a way to compare with other nations, as it is quie unique with CHN-CHN vs. china commonly in Quarters/Semis/Finals. How often you se GER-GER, INA-IN semis etc. these days.

    We can only hyphotesize how things would look if KOR or INA or MAS were so dominant and had so many matchups in the later tournamentstages...

    What is the statistics for MAS vs. MAS semis?? When did that even happen last time on the international scene?

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyangel View Post
    hate the WO so much! They are stupid losers!
    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
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    ms
    1,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,malaysia open CHINA
    2,kastens vs lukas,walkover,swiss open GERMAN
    3,chen jin vs lin dan,walkover,singapore open CHINA
    4,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,japan open CHINA
    5,ramdam vs daren,23-21,16-10,retired,indonesia open MALAYSIA
    6,chen long vs wang zm,walkover,french open CHINA

    ws
    1,jiang yan jiao vs liu xin,walkover,malaysia open CHINA
    2,wang shixian vs liu xin,walkover,all england CHINA
    3,wang xin vs li xuerui,walkover,all england CHINA
    4,wang shixian vs wang lin,12-8,retired,singapore open CHINA
    5,wang shixian vs jiang yanjiao,21-16,8-5,retired,china master CHINA
    6,wang yihan vs liu xin,walkover,japan open CHINA
    7,wang yihan vs jiang yan jiao,walkover,denmark open CHINA

    md
    1,bona/ahsan vs markus/prima,21-19,retired,indonesia open INDONESIA

    wd
    1,kim/jung vs kim/ha,7-10,retired,china master KOREA
    2,xia/tang vs wang/yu,21-19,retired,china master CHINA
    3,tian/zhao vs pan/cheng,walkover,french open CHINA

    xd
    1,natsir/tantowi vs rijal/debby,21-17,15-9,retired,india open INDONESIA
    2,zhao/zhang vs xu/ma,21-17,retired,world championship CHINA
    3,ma/xu vs zhang/zhao,21-18,1-1,retired,china master CHINA
    4,he/bao vs xu/ma,21-19,1-1,retired,indonesia open CHINA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Great work Limsy, that should silence all those who try to deny the very fact that CHN deploy this WO tactic. The next step is to bring this fact to BWF table, and get them to act.
    Couldn't agreed more!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flite View Post
    Couldn't agreed more!!
    The number of WOs are statisically a pretty useless measure if not taking into consideration and calculate on how many matchups overall there is between CHN-CHN players. The number of WOs between CHN-CHN players are obviously bound to be bigger as they meet in so many more matches.. If you look at the large number of CHN vs. CHN matches in tournaments, there is a very low % of WOs. And it is statisitically hard to draw any certain conclusion based on the very limited sampling of other SAME-SAME country matches which are a very small statistical sampling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    The number of WOs are statisically a pretty useless measure if not taking into consideration and calculate on how many matchups overall there is between CHN-CHN players. The number of WOs between CHN-CHN players are obviously bound to be bigger as they meet in so many more matches.. If you look at the large number of CHN vs. CHN matches in tournaments, there is a very low % of WOs. And it is statisitically hard to draw any certain conclusion based on the very limited sampling of other SAME-SAME country matches which are a very small statistical sampling.
    Not necessary true. Why do we need to compare the WO rates of CHN with other countries in the first place? To make CHN look less ugly? If the rest of other nations WO% are as high and when that day comes, the sports of badminton are doomed!

    On the other hand, Limsy's findings were based on what has already happened. The statistics and data are all there. Its not the case of some bad lawyer forcing his point through away from the common law. Its all pure facts.

    GIVEN that scenario you described, even when the day comes it still wouldn't make CHN looks any better... for that matter.
    Last edited by flite; 10-31-2011 at 05:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    The number of WOs are statisically a pretty useless measure if not taking into consideration and calculate on how many matchups overall there is between CHN-CHN players. The number of WOs between CHN-CHN players are obviously bound to be bigger as they meet in so many more matches.. If you look at the large number of CHN vs. CHN matches in tournaments, there is a very low % of WOs. And it is statisitically hard to draw any certain conclusion based on the very limited sampling of other SAME-SAME country matches which are a very small statistical sampling.
    this is for china ms,2011
    total against other country player against own country player
    play until finish 207 18
    retired or walkover 1 4
    % 0.48% 22.22%



    and this is for china ws,2011
    total against other country player against own country player
    play until finish 181 27
    retired or walkover 3 7
    % 1.66% 25.9%


    obviously u didnt read the 93th and 94th in this thread
    if what u say in bold is true
    then the walkover and retired against non china player should larger since the ratio of china vs non china opponent is 18:207 for ms and 27:181

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