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11-01-2011, 11:43 AM #137
wang zm against other country player against own country player play until finish 32 5 retired or walkover 0 1 % 0% 16.67%
lin dan against other country player against own country player play until finish 40 7 retired or walkover 1 3 % 2.44% 30%
du pengyu against other country player against own country player play until finish 28 4 retired or walkover 0 0 % 0% %
bao chunlai against other country player against own country player play until finish 22 3 retired or walkover 0 0 % 0% 0%
chen jin against other country player against own country player play until finish 41 5 retired or walkover 0 0 % 0% 0%
chen long against other country player against own country player play until finish 43 8 retired or walkover 0 0 % 0% 0%
total against other country player against own country player play until finish 206 14 retired or walkover 1 4 % 0.48% 22.22%
for note,i take out chen jin meet with zhou wen long and lin dan against wen kai since they dont participate in international tournament regularly
jiang yanjiao against other country player against own country player play until finish 23 9 retired or walkover 1 2 % 4.167% 18.18%
li xuerui against other country player against own country player play until finish 22 5 retired or walkover 0 1 % 0% 16.67%
liu xin against other country player against own country player play until finish 23 4 retired or walkover 1 3 % 4.167% 42.86%
wang shixian against other country player against own country player play until finish 29 9 retired or walkover 0 0 % 0% 0%
wang lin against other country player against own country player play until finish 13 0 retired or walkover 1 1 % 7.14% 100%
wang xin against other country player against own country player play until finish 32 11 retired or walkover 0 0 % 0% 0%
wang yi han against other country player against own country player play until finish 36 9 retired or walkover 0 0 % 0% 0%
total against other country player against own country player play until finish 178 20 retired or walkover 3 7 % 1.66% 25.9%
i take out other china ws who are not in the list above,and exclude team event
again we can see a significant different between two
this is after the correction,thanks to twobeer
china player only walkover/retired 4 times in 384 matches(against non china)1.04%
china player walkover/retired 11 times in 45 matches(against own teammate)24.44%
Last edited by limsy; 11-01-2011 at 11:49 AM.
11-01-2011, 11:43 AM #138
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11-01-2011, 12:34 PM #139
Thanks limsy for redoing the calculations.
Even without the calculations, we can see that roughly 1 in 4 of their CHN-vs-CHN matches would be a walkover and/or retired match.
This is not good for people who bought expensive tickets and going to the venue to watch them play. Refund of money should be given.
11-01-2011, 02:12 PM #140
As I have posted earlier, it would really suprise me if matches between training-partners didn't differ statistically in length, number of WOs etc. compared to matchups between non training-partners, so the interesting question is if it would be any different statistics if DEN, KOR, MAS, INA or other country had 45 SS tournament meetings between their players who trained together on a daily basis. This one is not easy to answer.. But I think that is really the interesting question..
11-01-2011, 03:22 PM #141
11-01-2011, 03:33 PM #142
11-01-2011, 04:11 PM #143
more complete statistics for 2011:
Some added statistics:
Collected data from the following 2011 BWF tournaments:
Statistics taken from tournament/software following tournaments 2011
RSL Cyprus International 2011 SANTO DOMINGO OPEN 2011 Yonex Badminton French Open 2011 Ethiopia Int 2011 Swiss International 2011 Syria International Series 2011 Yonex Denmark Open DJARUM SIRNAS REG. VIII SULAWESI OPEN 2011 XVI Pan Am Games, Guadalajara 2011 Turkiye Open 2011 Yonex Dutch Open 2011 Bulgarian International 2011 III Colombia Internacional 2011 Yonex Czech International 2011 Bankaltim Indonesia Open GP Gold 2011 XXVI Brazil International Badminton Cup 2011 YONEX Open Japan Yonex Belgian International 2011 Guatemala International Challenge 2011 Li Ning China Masters Kharkov International 2011 Yonex Chinese Taipei Open Zimbabwe Internationals 2011 Carebaco International 2011 Victor Slovak Open 2011 Namibia Internationals 2011 Yonex Sunrise Vietnam Grand Prix Open 2011 BWF WORLD SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS 2011 2011 Yonex Canada Open VICTOR INDONESIA INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE 2011 2011 Yonex OCBC US Open Grand Prix Gold White Nights 2011 Russian Open Grand Prix 2011 Kenya International Series 2011 DJARUM Indonesia Open 2011 Counties Manukau International Mauritius International 2011 LI NING Singapore Open 2011 Li-Ning Sunlight Altona International Lithuanian International 2011 SCG Thailand Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 Maldives International Badminton Challenge 2011 2011 Double Star BWF Sudirman Cup Spanish Open 2011 International Open Morocco 2011 Slovenia International 2011 Fiji Open 2011 FZ Forza Denmark International 46 Portuguese International Championships Smiling Fish International Series 2011 YONEX-SUNRISE India Open Yonex Dutch International 2011 Badminton Asia Championships 2011 Badminton Asia Championships XVI PERU INTERNATIONAL 2011 BADMINTON CHAMPIONSHIPS Osaka International Challenge 2011 YONEX Australian Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 Croatian International 2011 Li-Ning New Zealand International Challenge 2011 Ciputra Hanoi Vietnam Challenge 2011 35th Yonex Polish International Championships 2011 XII Torneo Giraldilla 2011 Uganda International Series 2011 BANUINVEST INTERNATIONAL 2011 WILSON Swiss Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 YONEX All England Open YONEX German Open Grand Prix Gold 2011 Iran Fajr International Challenge 2011 VICTOR Korea Open Swedish International Stockholm 2011 PROTON Malaysia Open Yonex Estonian International 2011
CHN-CHN Matches Played to finish 76 WO or retire 15 % WOs per "buddy"-match 16,48%
CHN-OTHER NATION Matches WO given to opponents 19 WO from opponents 7
Last edited by twobeer; 11-01-2011 at 04:15 PM.
11-01-2011, 10:39 PM #144
11-01-2011, 10:51 PM #145
Here's another thought, and I admit I don't know for 100% if I'm on the right track, but it kinda feels right...
I would think that the record of W/O's become more pertinent for the period starting May 1, 2011 onwards. If we collate data and the percentage figures from say, May 1 to present, and then compare them to the same type of data for say the preceding 2 years, might that not give us an indication of:
1. Whether W/O are in fact significantly increased in the qualifying period
2. Whether countries that stand to gain by W/O from a strategic/tactical viewpoint have in fact been involved in W/O in disproportionate amount to other countries that have nothing to gain by this.
Again, I'm not the expert here, so I won't comment on stuff like sample size and all that. But this is just a thought...
Edit: and before anyone asks me, the answer is "NO!! I cannot help with the data! It's all Greek to me!! "
11-01-2011, 10:58 PM #146
Actually, I am wondering why are we talking about sampling and sample size when limsy s analysis is not an effort to extrapolate and predict CHN s future walkover behaviour. In social science surveys or medical research, they survey sample sizes to project for the population, to save cost while achieving acceptable levels of accuracy. Then they make predictions based on various confidence levels. But in limsy s exercise, the population ( players ) is small and sampling is irrelevant because limsy is analyzing the actual population! By the way, I am no statistics expert; I barely passed my mandatory statistics for my psychology degree.
11-01-2011, 11:12 PM #147
We have a schrink pple. Aha who is mentally unstable reading this? Can wr recommend lyb as candidate. Must wrap him up like hannibal. Lol
11-01-2011, 11:18 PM #148
It's a good thing no one thought of quoting Disraeli to limsy --- he'd have thrown up and run away by now!!
11-01-2011, 11:57 PM #149
11-02-2011, 04:51 AM #150
anyway,i wont argue or explain since auntie pj already tried to explain
people tend to ignore something they dont want to believe/see
only focus on something they want to believe/see
even lin dan bravely show up,get boo-ed and eventually win the match because wanted to save face
11-02-2011, 05:08 AM #151
I hope BWF refers to this thread though.. So many useful statistics for their reference in case they are still sleeping or acting like nothing serious happens..
11-02-2011, 05:23 AM #152
posted on the other thread on a similar subject;
It’s scientifically proven that the importance of continuity in all competitive sports, particularly racket sports such as badminton. For the 5 days badminton tournament with a break within is equivalent to give away 5-10 points per game to your next opponent after the break.
Although there is no official statement as why China’s head coach risking to violate the rules laid down by the BWF, as the rules are not allow players to give unfair advantage i.e. a 10 points handicap, the underlined motives are fairly obvious for the badminton world.
It’s hard to deny that for most major tournaments China won most if not all the titles, Thomas Cup, Sudirman Cup, World Championship, Asian Games and All England just to name a few . China’s head coach is under constant pressure from other associations/coaches to ease down a bit and let them have a minor part of it. Thus occasionally China withdrawn the whole team from a tournament or individual matches between team mates to create a ‘false’ level playing field for the others.
This is also a good training ground for the younger members of the team as well. Knowing that you’re giving away 5-10 points to your opponents and still won by a good margin, particularly to the ‘world No 1’ must do your confident no harm.
So, unless the others catch up to the standard set by the best team of the world real soon as the Korean doubles do, China’s head coach will always have to strike the balance between to please the badminton world and to cross swords with BWF for the good of badminton.
Just my two pennies.
11-02-2011, 01:30 PM #153
I think you missed the point of this thread. We are hoping to watch good matches between highly-skilled Chinese teammates against each other in tournaments outside China.
We want to watch good matches.
If CHN players were to give walkovers to non-CHN players of lower-skills, we won't mind. Why? Because these matches would be one-sided matches and not as interesting.
Last edited by chris-ccc; 11-02-2011 at 01:32 PM.
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