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    There are already a few threads on this issue, including discussing BWF policies, in which each side of the camp have given the points of debate many times. Whatever it is, neither camp will change their minds regardless.

    As for Olympics, there is quota system for every sport if not mistaken. England being the host, was hit when the Cycling Association changed the rules from 2 per country in 2008 to 1 in 2012 and certain events only top 2 from the whole region get to go. After some grumblings they lived with it & move on.

    As for the view the if other countries have the ability, they will surely employ this tactic, not necessarily so. Sports in democratic countries is different as it is using taxpayers money(one reason). Public outcry, players/athletes filing complaints, calls for officials resignation,etc,etc can happen. Examples of these have also been given in the other threads.

    This thread is for presentation of data, for the BWF policies discussion, perhaps find those threads and read and continue

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    wildcard??

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    Quote Originally Posted by depleter View Post
    First of all,Why are you comparing past with present.
    simple. In the past, the regulation quite fair. That's why the rate of w/o or ret by china players was very low : 0.86 %
    Quote Originally Posted by depleter View Post
    May be the past was unfair and the present may be more fair.The BWF be doing it for benefit of the game.
    just answer my question : if lower ranked player can go to WC while higher ranked player can't go just bcoz the quota / country, then where is the fair ? if saina nehwal can not go to WC just bcoz she represent china and only world # 15, while world # 150 from XYZ country can go, is this fair ?
    Quote Originally Posted by depleter View Post
    Now for your argument of #9,#10 players not able to play but 50,60,70 ranked players getting chance.I am giving you an example from tennis doubles in london olympics.A player ranked 12 did get chance but a player ranked above 200 got chance.But no comments that they are being unfair to them.
    first, the #12 player represent which country ? Second, where is the final ranking prior to 2012 OG so I can know which country suffers the most in table tennis
    Quote Originally Posted by depleter View Post
    And for the last,As you have said Indonesia got a wild card in WS.This statement is absolutely wrong.She was given "Re-distributed unused quota" which was the same with Li Xuerui.
    As long as I know, LXR qualify by the regulation, while INA WS qualify by wild card

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosid View Post
    wildcard??
    as reported by almost every (if not all) media in Indonesia. I never heard INA WS qualify to OG not by wild card.
    Last edited by Fortune; 02-02-2013 at 04:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sen View Post
    That's true. But if China chose not to deploy the tactic, then this thread will never appear too.
    if china choose not to deploy this tactic, then we will never seen Chen Jin playing in Olympics. very simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    simple. In the past, the regulation quite fair. That's why the rate of w/o or ret by china players was very low : 0.86 %just answer my question : if lower ranked player can go to WC while higher ranked player can't go just bcoz the quota / country, then where is the fair ? if saina nehwal can not go to WC just bcoz she represent china and only world # 15, while world # 150 from XYZ country can go, is this fair ?first, the #12 player represent which country ? Second, where is the final ranking prior to 2012 OG so I can know which country suffers the most in table tennisAs long as I know, LXR qualify by the regulation, while INA WS qualify by wild card
    Please don't drag Saina Nehwal here for the sake of your explaination. She will never be going to represent China nor she is in the world # 15 rank at present. So, please don't drag other country's players for the sake of explaining the act of withdrawals and retirements from china players.

    Your explainations are totally wrong. Its like " I will do whatever i can. You don't have any rights to stop me doing that. We are superpowers" Isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Please don't drag Saina Nehwal here for the sake of your explaination. She will never be going to represent China nor she is in the world # 15 rank at present. So, please don't drag other country's players for the sake of explaining the act of withdrawals and retirements from china players. Your explainations are totally wrong. Its like " I will do whatever i can. You don't have any rights to stop me doing that. We are superpowers" Isn't it?
    I use saina nehwal bcoz depleter comes from india, and very likely he/she idolize nehwal. Let see what is the fans reaction if their idol can not go to WC just bcoz country limitation, and let see if they have different answer, if the victim is not the same. How about you ? Just answer my question : if saina nehwal from china and only # 15 can not go, is this fair ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    I use saina nehwal bcoz depleter comes from india, and very likely he/she idolize nehwal. Let see what is their reaction if their idol can not go to WC just bcoz country limitation, and let see if they have different answer, if the victim is not the same. How about you ? Just answer my question : if saina nehwal from china and only # 15 can not go, is this fair ?
    You are completely want to change the topic out from here by simply dragging everybody by calling their idols name and fitting those as if you needs. This thread is completely based upon some players' cheating on badminton for the past years. We people are very much interested in badminton and we never accept those malpractices ever happen to badminton. Thats the beauty of this thread which wanted to eradicate the malpractice in general. Do you keep on insist that these practices are good to badminton for ever???

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    Facts already proved that when the regulation is quite fair, only 1 ret or w/o within 116 matches...so if BWF wants to reduce the # of w/o or ret when chn vs chn, simple, set again the 2001 WC regulation. It's silly that member (ROW fans) in here only criticize china and not criticize BWF. That's bcoz their idol is very hard to win major title even though china suffers the most by BWF's unfair regulation

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    The topic has become unnecessarily wildly speculative. Back to reality please.

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    This is quite simple.. Walkovers between players and unnecessary retirements won't help badminton in any case. So, for the well being of the sport and to protect its sovereignity , i request BWF to come up with some solutions to curb those who misuse the regulations. Already, BWF has eradicated the wrong line judgements in some countries by trying to introduce sophisticated cameras to look after the line calls . I appreciate their work and i also insist BWF to come forward with an excellent back-up plan to eradicate intentional walkovers as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Btw, Limsy, did you do the record for 2012? Do you mind to repost as it has gotten lost in the clutter.
    Scorpion, why dont you do one for Saina for the year 2011 and 2012, same country and different country add up together also I think would not be many We dont argue with other arguements, just put up the stats.
    i have done that and posted. the post was been ignored because plenty of outer space reply.
    now i am unmotivated because the thread is on the border of get locked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    Why so? This thread has been going on topic and very well updated until some errant weed barged in and wreaked havoc.
    Will you leave your house if it's haunted? Simply perform some "exorcism" to clean away "evil spirits", that's all you have to do.
    yup,i think i will abandon this thread since the bwf is co cruel and forcing cba todo dirty tricks!
    ouch,better bwf cancel all international tournament,woohoo!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The topic has become unnecessarily wildly speculative. Back to reality please.
    mod can consider to lock it then i will open a new thread for the current year walkover and retired.
    to fight destruction,we contribute.

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    Thumbs up from 2006-2013,updated

    2006
    ws
    1,xie xing fang vs lu lan,walkover,china master CHINA

    wd
    1,wei yili/zhang yawen vs yang wei/zhang jie wen,walkover,china master CHINA

    2007
    ms
    1,bao chun lai vs chen hong,walkover,malaysia open CHINA
    2,chen yu vs wu yun yong,21-18,5-2,retired,german open CHINA
    3,bao chun lai
    vs chen hong,walkover,china open CHINA
    4,lin dan vs chen jin,21-16,10-6,retired,hong kong open CHINA

    ws
    1,zhou mi vs wang chen,walkover,hong kong open HONGKONG

    md
    1,koo/tan vs chong/lee,21-19,retired,korea open MALAYSIA
    2,cai/fu vs xie/guo,walkover,china master CHINA
    3,cai/fu vs xie/guo,walkover,hong kong open CHINA

    wd
    1,zhao tingting/yang wei vs gao ling/zhang jiewen,walkover,singapore open CHINA
    2,gao ling/huang sui vs du jing/yu yang,walkover,china master CHINA

    xd
    1,jiang yanmei/hendra vs li yu jia/hendri,walkover,swiss open SINGAPORE
    2,nova/natsir vs rijal/polli,walkover,world championship INDONESIA
    3,xie zhongbo/zhang yawen vs xu chen/zhaotingting,walkover,china open CHINA
    4,gao ling/zheng bo vs xie zhongbo/zhang yawen,walkover,hongkong open CHINA

    2008
    ms
    1,wen kai vs lin dan,walkover,china open CHINA

    ws
    1,lu lan vs wang yihan,walkover,all england CHINA
    2,wang lin vs zhu jingjing,walkover,singapore open CHINA

    md
    1,lee yongdae/jung jaesung vs cho/han,walkover,german open KOREA
    2,zakry/fairuz vs chong/lee,walkover,singapore open MALAYSIA
    3,cai/fu vs xie/guo,21-17,retired,thailand open CHINA

    wd
    1,gao ling/zhao tingting vs yang wei/zhang jiewen,walkover,korea open CHINA
    2,du jing/yu yang vs gao ling/zhao tingting,walkover,swiss open CHINA

    xd
    1,flandy/vita vs devin/lita,21-12,retired,korea open INDONESIA
    2,gao ling/zheng bo vs xie zhongbo/zhang yawen,16-21,21-6,retired,all england CHINA
    3,he hanbin/yu yang vs gao ling/zheng bo,walkover,swiss open CHINA
    4,outsuka/seutsuna vs kenichi/naito,walkover,japan open JAPAN

    2009
    ms
    1,lin dan vs chen jin,21-12,11-6 retired,all england CHINA

    md
    1,xu/guo vs cai/fu,walkover,china master CHINA
    2,xu/guo vs cai/fu,walkover,china open CHINA

    ws
    1,wang lin vs jiang yanjiao,walkover,asia badminton championship CHINA
    2,wang yihan vs wang xin,walkover,french open CHINA

    wd
    1,ha/kim vs lee/lee,walkover, all england KOREA
    2,mok/samantha vs francess/vanessa,walkover,singapore open SINGAPORE
    3,cheng shu/zhao vs du/yu,walkover,french open CHINA
    4,deng/luo vs xie/zhong,walkover,china open CHINA

    xd
    1,clark/kellog vs andrew/sarah,all england ENGLAND
    2,tao jiaming/ma jin vs chai biao/zhang yawen,21-19,11-6 retired,asia badminton championship CHINA
    3,zheng bo/ma jin vs xu chen/zhao yun lei,5-5 retired,malaysia open CHINA
    4,tao/wang vs xie/zhang,13-21,21-19,8-4 retired,china master CHINA
    5,chen/zhang vs xie/zhang,walkover,china master CHINA
    6,zheng bo/ma jin vs zhang/zhao,walkover,china master CHINA

    2010
    ms
    1,chen long vs bao chunlai,walkover,korea open CHINA
    2,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,china open CHINA

    md
    1,kido/setiawan vs alvent/hendra,walkover,hongkong open INDONESIA

    wd
    1,bao yixin/lu lu vs pan/tian,walkover,china master CHINA
    2,cheng/zhao vs ma/zhong,walkover,china open china

    xd
    1,sudket/salaree vs songphon/kunchala,walkover,french open THAILAND
    2011
    ms
    1,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,malaysia open CHINA
    2,kastens vs lukas,walkover,swiss open GERMAN
    3,chen jin vs lin dan,walkover,singapore open CHINA
    4,chen long vs lin dan,walkover,japan open CHINA
    5,ramdam vs daren,23-21,16-10,retired,indonesia open MALAYSIA
    6,chen long vs wang zm,walkover,french open CHINA

    ws
    1,jiang yan jiao vs liu xin,walkover,malaysia open CHINA
    2,wang shixian vs liu xin,walkover,all england CHINA
    3,wang xin vs li xuerui,walkover,all england CHINA
    4,wang shixian vs wang lin,12-8,retired,singapore open CHINA
    5,wang shixian vs jiang yanjiao,21-16,8-5,retired,china master CHINA
    6,wang yihan vs liu xin,walkover,japan open CHINA
    7,wang yihan vs jiang yan jiao,walkover,denmark open CHINA

    md
    1,bona/ahsan vs markus/prima,21-19,retired,indonesia open INDONESIA

    wd
    1,kim/jung vs kim/ha,7-10,retired,china master KOREA
    2,xia/tang vs wang/yu,21-19,retired,china master CHINA
    3,tian/zhao vs pan/cheng,walkover,french open CHINA

    xd
    1,natsir/tantowi vs rijal/debby,21-17,15-9,retired,india open INDONESIA
    2,zhao/zhang vs xu/ma,21-17,retired,world championship CHINA
    3,ma/xu vs zhang/zhao,21-18,1-1,retired,china master CHINA
    4,he/bao vs xu/ma,21-19,1-1,retired,indonesia open CHINA


    2012
    Ms
    1,lin dan vs chen jin,walkover,bac CHINA

    2,chen long vs du peng yu,walkover,china master CHINA

    3,wang zheng ming vs chen jin,walkover,china open CHINA

    Md

    1,lee/jung v skim/kim,walkover,german open KOREA

    Ws

    1, ai goto vs mitani minatsu,wakover,Australia open JAPAN

    2, li xuerui vs jiang yanjiao,walkover,india ss CHINA

    3,li xuerui vs wang yihan,21-12,11-3 retired,hongkong open CHINA

    4,li xuerui vs wang shixian,21-9,15-4 retired,SSMF CHINA

    Xd
    1,ryota/ayaka vs saeki/misaki,walkover,Canada open JAPAN

    2013

    MS
    1,hayom vs sony,walkover,Indonesia gpg Indonesia
    2,sony vs tommy,21-14,8-3,retired,hongkong open indonesia
    WS
    1,neha pandit vs trupti murgunde,21-11,11-4 retired,india open india
    2,li xue rui vs sun yu,walkover,china master china
    3,liu xin vs suo di,walkover,china master china
    4,wang shi xian vs li xue rui,walkover,Denmark open china
    MD
    1,goh/lim vs koo/tan,walkover,Malaysia open Malaysia
    2,zakry/fairuz vs gan/tan,21-15,retired,Australia open Malaysia
    3,ryan/angga vs berry/ricky,walkover,Indonesia gpg Indonesia
    4,kang/liu vs qiu/liu,walkover,japan open china
    5,kim/kim vs lee/yoo,11-9,retired,korea gpg korea
    WD
    1,wang/yu vs cheng/zhao,walkover,korea open china
    2,cheng/zhao vs ba/tian,21-17,11-6 retired,all England china
    3,jung/kim vs shin/lee,walkover,chinese Taipei korea
    4,deng/xiong vs huang/jia,walkover china master china
    5,bao/tang vs wang/yu,walkover,Denmark open china
    6,wang/yu vs tian/zhao,walkover,china open china
    7,choi/park vs eom/shin,walkover,korea gpg korea
    8,ma/tang vs yu/wang,walkover, SSMF china
    XD
    1,guo/luo vs xu/ma,walkover,china master,china
    2,zhang/zhao vs kang/ou,china master china
    3,lukhi/annisa vs kido/pia,walkover,Indonesia gpg Indonesia
    4,zhang/zhao vs xu/ma,walkover,japan open china
    4,max/charla vs Johannes/Johanna,London gpg,germany
    from 2006-2013
    walkover and retired
    china 71
    korea 8
    ina 8
    mas 5
    japan 3
    singapore 2

    Germany 2
    hk,england,thailand,india 1 each.

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    Default walkover/retired table per country

    country walkover/retired % of total
    china 71 68.93%
    korea 8 7.76%
    indonesia 8 7.76%
    malaysia 5 4.84%
    japan 3 2.91%
    singapore 2 1.94%
    germany 2 1.94%
    hongkong 1 0.97%
    thailand 1 0.97%
    india 1 0.97%
    england 1 0.97%

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    country walkover/retired % of total
    china 71 68.93%
    korea 8 7.76%
    indonesia 8 7.76%
    malaysia 5 4.84%
    japan 3 2.91%
    singapore 2 1.94%
    germany 2 1.94%
    hongkong 1 0.97%
    thailand 1 0.97%
    india 1 0.97%
    england 1 0.97%

    Any idea what the percentage of walkover is, using the amount of time they played against each other?

    I.e china v china played each other 2006-2013 e.g 200 times with 70 walkovers so that would be 35% walkover rate. (disclaimer!! Just made these figures up)

    To see that figure compared with other countries % in the same way would be more accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    Any idea what the percentage of walkover is, using the amount of time they played against each other?

    I.e china v china played each other 2006-2013 e.g 200 times with 70 walkovers so that would be 35% walkover rate. (disclaimer!! Just made these figures up)

    To see that figure compared with other countries % in the same way would be more accurate.
    for 2012 version,please read post number 137 for ms and ws,post 165 for cai/fu.
    this is the summary for 2012
    china player only walkover/retired 4 times in 384 matches(against non china)1.04%
    china player walkover/retired 11 times in 45 matches(against own teammate)24.44%
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    i will do one for 2013 when i have enough time
    Last edited by limsy; 01-17-2014 at 09:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    for 2012 version,please read post number 137 for ms and ws,post 165 for cai/fu.
    this is the summary for 2012
    china player only walkover/retired 4 times in 384 matches(against non china)1.04%
    china player walkover/retired 11 times in 45 matches(against own teammate)24.44%
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    i will do one for 2013 when i have enough time
    Ah sorry sorry, It is a long thread and was lazy to read through it all. Thanks for pointing out the posts and summary Just out of interest what tournaments you using gpg and up? and has anybody done the other countries?

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