View Poll Results: Is Joaquim Fischer service illegal?
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12-21-2011, 12:48 AM #86
in every sport, rules are set up to allow people to play on a fair level ground.
there is no absolute right or wrong, yet it is a line that must be drawn for every one to follow if you are there to participate.
whatever rule you set up, there would be grey area. so if driving at 66mph is an acceptable grey area to the 65mph limit, why not 67mph? why not 68mph? why not 70mph??? and so on... there would also be grey area to grey area...
in sports, not like law, there would be discretional area leaving for lawyers to debate because you have no time to do so on the spot!!!
so you could not say someone is more famous, therefore everyone should know he has a habit in the grey area, therefore he should be allowed!!! otherwise we have to brief new rules to players prior to every game what is particularly about the players.
there is no perfect rule, but if such relaxation just benefit one player, why should he allowed??? unless everyone agree it is a general need to update a certain rule for the benefit of the common interest.....
one may say JFN did that all the time not because of any of his born feature (say 3 arms, or 6 fingers...) that is unsurmountable... just because he did not learn the sport as per game rules in the first place.. i.e. pick up a bad habit (if not intentionally to benefit from such potentially distractionary serve...)...
12-21-2011, 01:29 AM #87
I just hope JF and his coaches somehow get an idea of how borderline his serve action is. It's a bad habit, that's what it is, and it serves no purpose other than to create debate amongst us BC'ers. I would hate to see him get called for it during an important match and then have to learn how to serve mid game.
12-26-2011, 07:39 PM #88
A fixed rule may very well exist without any "grey areas"..
if there is a speedlimit of 66 then 67 and 70 are not allowed 65 and 66 is allowed. it not grey its binary.. >66 or <=66.
If the rule states the ball is out if the cork does not touch the line then IT is out if the cork does not touch the line etc.. there are no "almost out" or grey area about it at all..
if you reach 21-18 you win..that is an absolute, no grey area about that.. etc. etc. the examples can go on and on..
Of course umpires, judges can make misstakes (thats what human does) but I think most grey areas can be eliminated from rules of sport.
12-26-2011, 08:42 PM #89
And if you think only humans make mistakes, check out Hotspot and other technologies that are employed for obscene amounts in other sports. Not watertight, I regret to inform you...
Now, I wonder where the phrases "arc of tolerance" or "limits of tolerance" or "range of tolerance" originated from? Humans, maybe? Or Vulcans?
12-26-2011, 11:10 PM #90
@twobeer: I think you and Jonc108 are saying the same thing.
12-27-2011, 04:25 AM #91
No one can be "forced" to play so anyone can choice to forfeit a match and thereby accepting a LOSS. SO this is an absolute.. forefit and not play the game = loose.
Fixed matches, already are and should also be illegal. And there are really no grey areas.. if a match i PROOVED to be fixed and the result has been predetermined, there should be stiff penalties. This is also not only a question for the rules of the game, but also civil-Law issue if people get cheated when gambling money etc on the outcome of fixed-games, matters for judicial system.
As you state, people do make misstake. Thereffore I beleive rules and regulations should be made as clear and precise as possible, to at least minimze interpretation misstakes and grey areas.
12-28-2011, 05:02 PM #92
01-16-2012, 05:54 PM #93
So I came back from a tournament recently, brought this video up to another umpire and asked for his intake on this. He also said that the 1st movement is towards addressing the shuttle, and the fact that this is done consistently, the service judges don't call a fault.
01-16-2012, 06:22 PM #94
01-16-2012, 06:48 PM #95
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03-09-2012, 05:10 AM #96
If you wanted to be 100% strict about it, then all players must serve like this:
- Position the racket out in front (and hold it still without trembling at all!)
- Bring the shuttle from behind (or the side), and place it in front of the racket.
The trouble is that this action is relatively unnatural and most players don't do it. Most players bring the racket and shuttle forwards together as they set up for the serve, and then serve.
This is one of those areas where a service judge (or umpire) will make a judgement. Consider law 9.2:
9.2 Once the players are ready for the service, the first forward movement of the server’s racket head shall be the start of the service.
The umpire and service judge will assess whether the forwards movement is part of the preparation, or part of the serve. In making this assessment, they are trying to prevent the server from gaining an unfair advantage, but they are also trying to avoid punishing him for the simple act of getting ready to serve.
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03-09-2012, 05:49 AM #97
added a poll.
03-09-2012, 09:46 AM #98
03-09-2012, 05:03 PM #99
Would you guys rather have everyone have exactly the same serving motion, that way it's easier to tell what's a fault?
Everyone has their own natural habits/way of serving. There's no unfair advantage, and would you fault him the whole match if he kept continuing serving like this?
04-07-2012, 09:57 PM #100
04-08-2012, 11:07 AM #101
06-26-2012, 02:26 PM #102
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