How to make our juniors excel into their senior years

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  1. pajrul

    pajrul Regular Member

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    i think when they say there is no hope over the horizon for our badminton is a fallacy.. our juniors keep winning

    Today they just won the 2011 world juniors team .. excellent!!!

    what should we do so that they continue being world class when they go to their senior years..

    how to identify mistakes being done by BAM now.. and how to rectify it

    what are the other countries doing right and what are we doing that keeps destroying our young talent?

    by just saying 'BAM is useless'.. is no good we need more details than that..
     
  2. limsy

    limsy Regular Member

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    its not all bam fault when it come to senior squad
    its about management,player him/herself and the whole environment
    either one is not good enough,the talent would just gone

    family opt to let children study in college
    bam setup ruined the player
    player failed to block and reject all the tempting stuff

    even u can fix bam
    parent would say,only a few can earn big bucks,and my kids are not lee chong wei = college

    even the whole family support the player to continue in bam
    the current bam setup is run by got-brain-but-100% unused 'pro'

    if the player own will and determination,commitment is not strong enough
    can say bye bye too
     
  3. limsy

    limsy Regular Member

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    axelson,ratchanok ,tai,nazomi all have been playing in the senior tournament

    how about mas young and potential player?mas ss open qualify round? 1st and 2nd round of mas gp gold? and whole team to mas ic?
    any use?

    the only thing i can say is
    malaysia young talent was trained to excel in junior stage,other than that,is bam matter

    other country talent was trained to excel in whole career

    see the different?

    bjss is better than bam,but still,both with tunnel vision
     
  4. danielwong

    danielwong Regular Member

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    my take,
    most of the effort comes from the players himself/herself...
    lets leave BAM, coaches, parents out of this...if the player want to go far..
    he will find a way...Nguyen Tien Minh is one good example...no proper association
    to back him, coach or even sparring partner, eventhough he is not the best in the world
    but at least he is in the top 10...imagine he is born in MAS...
    one more, will be Saina Neiwa...some might remember how she fight for her right
    to compete oversea when the association in India not supporting her....

    hard to blame the juniors...but the environment and surrounding in MAS does not produce juniors with
    strong hunger and desire anymore...all are born well to do and self sufficient...
     
  5. undeadshot

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    Congratulations MAS juniors for becoming the newly crowned world junior champions in the team event!
     
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    PrimeShuttler Regular Member

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    Ermm... don't want to be a spoilsport.
    Whilst I congratulate the juniors for winning, it has to be put into perspective that China did not send a team.
    Somehow I think that China doesn't see a lot of worth sending players for junior tournaments. They prefer to send their juniors to senior tournaments to gain better exposure and experience.
     
  7. undeadshot

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    China sends a junior team every year to AJC and WJC except for this year's WJC because it is held in Chinese Taipei. Malaysia lost to China in the final of the AJC because Malaysia lost MS. China isn't as strong as you would expect them in the previous years but admittedly, damn, they are still good. They didn't have a WD in the final of the AJC though!
     
  8. jasonmarc

    jasonmarc Regular Member

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    First of all, just make sure they dont skip (ponteng) training....like Arif and OSH.....!!

    Then only talk about other things.........:D :D :D
     
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    shooting stroke Regular Member

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    Obviously, the consistent tradition of junior players from Malaysia that excel well in the WJC, AJC or Youth Olympic, especially in the doubles department is not a new story. Its also not a new story that this junior players which has been absorb into the BAM elite back-up, under the BAM coaching structure are also unable to consistently produce excellent results in the senior events as to compare to their same equivalent batch of previous junior opponents. The best comparison will be Arif and Chen Long.

    If China can improve the performance of their junior into a world beater that also can even beat our Dato', but at the same time we can't improve the performance of our juniors to achieve at least some respectable senior events title (not to say to beat Dato' .........or Wong Choon Han). than ALL the BAM CTC members and its remaining members must be high on cannabis not to realize this.......but then actually they are very well aware of this. An awareness that comes with a transient act of changing this coach to here, that coach to there, hiring new coach, making defending comments or other scrambling action deems fit in order to safe guard whatever individual interest there may be.

    A country can have 100,000 talented juniors but none will be any value if there are only to be train and polished as a world class junior player. The translation from a junior champion to a senior champion is a leap that involves both ultra strict long term, continuous evaluation structured training program and a huge influenced of the coach involvement deep into the heart of his apprentice. The best case scenario that BAM failed to humbly hear, copy and follow is the connection of like father and son of Datuk Misbun and Dato' Lee Chong Wei.

    In front of BAM eyes its very transparent that Dato' LCW also was once a junior player like the others. After Morten Frost painstakingly had an argument with BAM that he should be in the BAM academy and not under the state training program, Dato' he also went through the BAM training similarly what other junior had gone. However, he show the world later than he is one of the best player in the current era. How did he do it?. Other than having Datuk Misbun, the main critical part inside that Dato' LCW has that made him a successful player now is that he has the mentality and self discipline that is super dedicated and motivated in continuously improving his gameplay, how in human hard the training regime thrown to him. Such character personality unlikely exist in previous junior players. If current juniors want to carbon copy him, it need to start from their own mind set.
     
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    watched coach carter for my education psychology class
    that shows how important a guider are in teens
     
  11. pajrul

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    or we can have the american model.. where all athletes must be chosen from universities.(or community colleges if they are not good enough)

    their philosophy is that athletes must have good education along with being excellent in sports no matter what..

    in that way they automatically get the support of family .. then they go from there
     

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