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Thread: Li Ning Woods N80
11-11-2012, 11:37 PM #154
11-12-2012, 02:21 AM #155
official specs: Balance：HH○●○○○HL
So, BS LYD is head heavy...
I have never said it's head heavy like VT80. If you would have read my posts before, you'd know that I rate VT80 and N90 as "real" head heavy. While N80 and BS LYD are head heavy but not that heady heavy like the N90 at all. BS LYD also has a HH-balance point.
Whatever. BS LYD doesn't feel really head heavy, but it is.
The N80 can't generate enough power for singles. Like the BS LYD. (Little) head heaviness doesn't mean automatically more power.
It's just a fact, but not a guarantee for more oomph.
11-12-2012, 02:44 AM #156
11-12-2012, 07:36 AM #157
11-12-2012, 09:12 AM #158
And once more - there is no such thing as 'can't generate enough power for singles'. It just means your swing style is not suited to a head light/balanced racket. There are many players using NS or Arc7 rackets in singles, which aren't head heavy either. You just gotta have the technique and a suitable swing style to get the power out of them.
Not to question your judgement, but weren't you the guy who started playing like 6-8 months ago? In a club, I mean, not doodling around with friends. In that case, it's highly unlikely you'll already have the necessary technical skills to use lighter rackets comfortably (as they require better timing and more pronation/gripping action than heavier rackets). Once more, this is not to question your skills or judgement, but rather an explanation why you might not get the most out of even balanced rackets.
(Btw, for those who think they don't offer enough power - have you seen Xu Chen and LYD smash with those things? )
11-12-2012, 09:51 AM #159
Well, you're right. It's wrong to say "racket xyz can't generate enough power". Of course N80 and BS LYD can generate power.
I should have said something like: "I can't generate enough power with it in singles." But don't leave out my earlier posts about its performance in doubles. It's a very good racket in doubles. It's just not my cup of tea when using it in singles.
So, I'd like to see some respect(?) to opinions from every individual person here.
It's okay to question about someone's skill - as long as you're questioning it in a normal way how you did it, j4ckie
You're absolutely not wrong. But I wouldn't rate me that low No intention to say how good I am, but we already did pretty good before we began badminton seriously. Whatever, there's no point I want to mess with someone here, because I'm pretty sure that I'm not above average here.
But to swap back to the topic, it's not false to review a racket as an intermediate player, isn't it?
What I also like to mention is: If a racket is slightly head heavy, it is still head heavy, right? so if BS LYD slightly head heavy, what's wrong if I'm saying head heavy BS LYD? I absolutely know that the head heaviness of BS LYD is absolutely nothing compared to N90, because I own both of them. But it's still head heavy, isn't it? I know, nitpicking...
I'm not alone with the opinion about N80's performance in singles: Click
However. There's nothing I have or should add to this. I just wanted to share my opinion to some members here. I hope at least some members will appreciate the different opinions about the N80. No matter what the writer's skill is as long he can judge objectively and as long he's writing for the community here.
11-12-2012, 10:33 AM #160
Okay, so I did remember right.....anyhow, glad you responded so honestly and didn't take offense.
You're totally right, it's actually great to have people of all skill levels judging rackets (as Pro really don't give much honest feedback as they're sponsored by company XY and wanna promote that company, and also are on a completely different level).
The important thing, however, is that you should always mention your skill level/preference as soon as you're not talking about objective data like stiffness/balance/... anymore. Even then, people of different levels and preferences can feel different about those things that should be objective.
Alright, nothing to add to this, I think. Didn't have a problem with your judgement of the racket, but it should always be seen in the right context. I can pretty much guarantee you that my judgement would be rather different, as I'm leaning towards head lighter rackets than you seem to, and probably have a pretty different swing as well. My BS12 is actually ranking towards the top concerning power for me, which is not true for a large portion of players
Oh, and concerning the HH-issue with the LYD - have you measured the BP without added grip/strings? Pretty much all rackets these days are between 285mm and 310mm, so a head light racket doesn't really have the BP near the handle. The BS LYD I had over for testing was, as I mentioned, 5mm head lighter than the BS09, and would thus be even balanced or even head light. It's possible I got a rather head light piece, as production isn't 100% accurate and there are variations to both weight and BP, but quality control should ensure that there's a 5mm difference only between the head heaviest and head lightest pieces of one model.
The LYD is really not head heavy. Victor's official specs have been rather inconclusive - there has been a real armada of 4/5 HH 4/5 S rackets lately, still they are (or should be^^) rather different. As most of the players are leaning towards slightly head heavy rackets these days, maybe they think they can sell more rackets this way. No idea. But fact is that you can't trust those specs, as they can be very misleading. (an example would be the BS LYD vs BS09 vs SW36 - both LYD and 36 have two 4/5 ratings, but are completely different. The BS09 should be noticeably head lighter than the LYD, but is head heavier....)
Alright, now that I got that out of my system, we should really get back to topic....if you wanna discuss this further, pm me rather than filling up this thread with non-N80 discussions
11-17-2012, 06:00 PM #161
11-17-2012, 06:00 PM #162
N80TD where TD = Take Down, whatever that means @_@
11-17-2012, 06:02 PM #163
11-24-2012, 09:25 PM #164
Can anybody compare the stiffness of the n80 to an arc10 or a voltric 80? I was recommended to switch from my voltric 80 to something with a softer shaft to take stress off of my shoulder. Any helps appreciated
01-08-2013, 09:37 AM #165
N55 is a nice racket nt so stiff
01-08-2013, 02:56 PM #166
01-24-2013, 12:34 AM #167
How's Li-Ning 80 compared to Victor Bravesword 10? do these two rackets have similar performance & character?
01-24-2013, 02:01 AM #168
In terms of shaft stiffness : VT80 > Arc10 = N80
In terms of frame stiffness : VT80 > N80 > Arc10
02-11-2013, 10:05 PM #169
Is there any difference between the N80 & N80 TD? Aside from the paintjob?
02-11-2013, 10:37 PM #170
is there N80 TD? what does TD mean?
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