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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    I'm pretty sure he was asked that before the WC final and at the time the majority thought so here as well (iirc). Now that I've replied anyway might as well make the comment I had about the thread title : LCW surely is not in his best form at the moment, not since the WCs which should have been a peak moment in physical, mental, etc. preparation which you cannot hold a whole year long ... but maybe now with less pressure he's not playing so uptight (should probably make some time to watch a few of these recent matches )
    Actually MF was asked by GC while commentating during the WC final itself. MF said LD was superior at the OG08 period but now LCW is better than LD overall even if LCW may not win the WC. MF s commentating has always been a learning experience because there and then he could point out LCW s tactical flaws, BEFORE and not after a point. This is what is meant by tactics determining the outcome of a match. Knowing how to execute your strengths so opponent has no chance to blunt them. You will note that LD walks a lot in circles between points when he plays LCW. LD does not do this to other opponents. LD knows LCW has the marginal natural speed advantage over him so he always try to ' jam ' LCW s speed momentum by 'walking'. When LD has to resort to that sort of tactics, he is indirectly telling LCW that LCW is better than him. The other indication of LCW s superiority is his wins over other opponents. Those victories are clean, straightforward and with standard and not maximum effort from LCW. Largely because LCW s opponents could not cope with his speed.

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    The recent encounters between these two long-time rivals put LD comfortably ahead, IMHO.

    I was surprised at LD's display and if he continues in this form and stays focussed, LCW will find it hard to take the London Oly crown!

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    Until the objective of the game is changed such that it is better to lose than to win, LD is better than LCW. Simple as that.

    This discussion is getting rather pathetic.

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    True.

    Boh Leh fans just die hard to admit this simple fact.

    Regarding opinions, I think PG's should be valued more than MF's because PG has been playing against LD, LCW, TH, and many good players in the previous generations. It is PG who commented that LD is the best MS player in history.

    Let alone these might-be-subjective opinions, I would like to base my judgement on the H2H record. 21:8 (5:1 this year so far) explains everything. More over, this year LD has already beaten LCW, for the first time, 4 times in a row.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedShuttle View Post
    Until the objective of the game is changed such that it is better to lose than to win, LD is better than LCW. Simple as that.

    This discussion is getting rather pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braids View Post
    True.

    Boh Leh fans just die hard to admit this simple fact.

    Regarding opinions, I think PG's should be valued more than MF's because PG has been playing against LD, LCW, TH, and many good players in the previous generations. It is PG who commented that LD is the best MS player in history.

    Let alone these might-be-subjective opinions, I would like to base my judgement on the H2H record. 21:8 (5:1 this year so far) explains everything. More over, this year LD has already beaten LCW, for the first time, 4 times in a row.
    Bro .. nobody is disputing LD is better.
    We are just saying even the best can be beaten with correct strategy during the OLY12. Some of you seem to think LD is unbeatable just because he holds a superior H2H stat or is more skilled etc. Maybe he is the favorite but victory is not guaranteed.

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    Dude, I never said LD is unbeatable otherwise how come he has lost to LCW 8 times? Neither did I claim that LD will definitely win the OG12. In fact, I don't care so much if he would win it or not, as what he has achieved appears more than enough to me.

    Even if LD lost in OG12, it might not be due to the strategy taken by his opponent, whoever he'd be. What I (and some other probably) do think is, LD is so well skilled technically and mentally that a right strategy designed to beat him, if it would exist, is far from being sufficient for someone to beat him.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerv2 View Post
    Bro .. nobody is disputing LD is better.
    We are just saying even the best can be beaten with correct strategy during the OLY12. Some of you seem to think LD is unbeatable just because he holds a superior H2H stat or is more skilled etc. Maybe he is the favorite but victory is not guaranteed.

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    What is the "correct strategy", what is LCW doing wrong in your opinion? What weakness in Lin Dan's game can LCW exploit or what LCW attribute is better than LD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1lau View Post
    What is the "correct strategy", what is LCW doing wrong in your opinion? What weakness in Lin Dan's game can LCW exploit or what LCW attribute is better than LD?
    Ah .. finally some good questions

    What is LCW doing wrong? Here is some of my thoughts

    1. Unforced errors
    In WC he just left so many shots that eventually went in. If I was him, I would have just played it as LD hardly hits out. He has also been hitting out too often in the recent games. Impossible to beat LD if this continues.

    2. Force mistakes out of LD
    For this a through analysis needs to be done on LD's games and come up with a strategy to force mistakes out of him. Unfortunately Chen Long seem to know how to do this to LCW already.

    3. Stop lifting to LD's forehand. Most of the time his smashes straight down the line is impossible to defend.

    4. LCW slows down the intensity in 2nd game for some reason. Probably to conserve energy in case it goes to 3 games. Need to work on his fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Actually MF was asked by GC while commentating during the WC final itself. MF said LD was superior at the OG08 period but now LCW is better than LD overall even if LCW may not win the WC. MF s commentating has always been a learning experience because there and then he could point out LCW s tactical flaws, BEFORE and not after a point. This is what is meant by tactics determining the outcome of a match. Knowing how to execute your strengths so opponent has no chance to blunt them. You will note that LD walks a lot in circles between points when he plays LCW. LD does not do this to other opponents. LD knows LCW has the marginal natural speed advantage over him so he always try to ' jam ' LCW s speed momentum by 'walking'. When LD has to resort to that sort of tactics, he is indirectly telling LCW that LCW is better than him. The other indication of LCW s superiority is his wins over other opponents. Those victories are clean, straightforward and with standard and not maximum effort from LCW. Largely because LCW s opponents could not cope with his speed.
    Please stop making pathetic excuses for LCW's losses. When LD wins, LD played better than LCW on that day. When LCW wins, LCW played better than LD on that day. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamsyams View Post
    Please stop making pathetic excuses for LCW's losses. When LD wins, LD played better than LCW on that day. When LCW wins, LCW played better than LD on that day. That is all.
    Cant argue with this. Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogerv2 View Post
    Ah .. finally some good questions

    What is LCW doing wrong? Here is some of my thoughts

    1. Unforced errors
    In WC he just left so many shots that eventually went in. If I was him, I would have just played it as LD hardly hits out. He has also been hitting out too often in the recent games. Impossible to beat LD if this continues.

    2. Force mistakes out of LD
    For this a through analysis needs to be done on LD's games and come up with a strategy to force mistakes out of him. Unfortunately Chen Long seem to know how to do this to LCW already.

    3. Stop lifting to LD's forehand. Most of the time his smashes straight down the line is impossible to defend.

    4. LCW slows down the intensity in 2nd game for some reason. Probably to conserve energy in case it goes to 3 games. Need to work on his fitness.
    1."Unforced errors"

    My opinion is that these are forced errors, because LD is probably the only player that is as fast, if not faster than LCW. I think the average rhythm of the match is slightly faster than what LCW can keep up with, hence the mental mistakes. I think LCW speed has peaked and I don't expect him to be able to improve that anytime soon.

    2. "Force mistakes out of LD"
    Again what attributes does LCW have over LD to consistently put himself in a position to cause LD to error?

    3. "LD's forehand ..."
    Agreed, especially need to stop dropping to LD forehand corner, when LCW is pushed back to his back-court forehand corner.

    4. "LCW slows down 2nd game ..."
    I kind of agree, but I think it's more like LD turning up the intensity and LCW buckling to the pressure!

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    Maybe it's time to start a "Peter Gade in great form, but LCW can still dominate him!" thread, Boleh! maybe that will help LCW fan's to understand what we are talking about? Do you think Peter Gade is simply using the wrong strategy or because LCW is just a better badminton player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1lau View Post
    Maybe it's time to start a "Peter Gade in great form, but LCW can still dominate him!" thread, Boleh! maybe that will help LCW fan's to understand what we are talking about? Do you think Peter Gade is simply using the wrong strategy or because LCW is just a better badminton player?
    I notice that most of LCW points against PG comes from smashes. If PG can counter this then LCW will have a hard time against him. One more thing is PG runs out of steam in 3rd game.

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