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    huge bummer!!!!

    sorry to hear about the bad experience. i think the locals are not doing a great job with stranger.

    but that's seems to be the case in general. aside from a couple of places which are more stranger friendly, most groups are quite cliquey and it does take time to join them, even for a local player.

    feel bad that i missed seeing this thread earlier otherwise i would've met up with you for some games.

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    Question Why do organisers post their clubs/groups at BC when not all Bcers are welcomed?

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    huge bummer!!!!

    sorry to hear about the bad experience. i think the locals are not doing a great job with stranger.

    but that's seems to be the case in general. aside from a couple of places which are more stranger friendly, most groups are quite cliquey and it does take time to join them, even for a local player.

    feel bad that i missed seeing this thread earlier otherwise i would've met up with you for some games.
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    Hi kwun,

    That's the one thing I find about the variation in some clubs and/or groups (in different countries) posting here at BadmintonCentral. Some are not opened to all BCers like CCC Badminton in Melbourne.

    I have once asked - Why do organisers post their clubs/groups at BadmintonCentral when not ALL BCers are welcomed to play? Anyway, only frequent readers at BC know what's going on here (in this forum).

    I bet Andrew will understand now what CCC has done to promote Badminton in Melbourne. All BCers, weak or strong, young or old, new or experienced, etc, etc, ... have all enjoyed playing at CCC whenever they visit Melbourne.

    Anyway, Andrew has played at CCC before. Andrew might be waiting for me to inform our Melbourne BCers what happened to CCC Badminton (in 2006) when I took a short break to coach the Nothern Irish Team when they were here at our Melbourne Commonwealth Games that year.

    Actually, I think it could be silly and a waste of time to explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Hi kwun,

    That's the one thing I find about the variation in some clubs and/or groups (in different countries) posting here at BadmintonCentral. Some are not opened to all BCers like CCC Badminton in Melbourne.

    I have once asked - Why do organisers post their clubs/groups at BadmintonCentral when not ALL BCers are welcomed to play? Anyway, only frequent readers at BC know what's going on here (in this forum).

    I bet Andrew will understand now what CCC has done to promote Badminton in Melbourne. All BCers, weak or strong, young or old, new or experienced, etc, etc, ... have all enjoyed playing at CCC whenever they visit Melbourne.

    Anyway, Andrew has played at CCC before. Andrew might be waiting for me to inform our Melbourne BCers what happened to CCC Club (in 2006) when I took a short break to coach the Nothern Irish Team when they were here at our Melbourne Commonwealth Games that year.

    Actually, I think it could be silly and a waste of time to explain.
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    the definition, organization, and social structure of a "club" in Australia and in the US is very different.

    in the US, a "club" is no more than a gym with courts and a person to look after the front desk and collect money.

    beyond that, there is not any person(s) to organize games or to greet people or anything like that. people who can be totally strangers to each other walks into the huge warehouse with courts inside, the only thing that they talk to is a computer terminal to find out which court they can play in, and then they walk in there to play.

    and when there are sufficient free courts, people just find the next available court to play. and that's it. no one to greet you, no one to make sure that you are finding a good game, no one there to introduce you to people. it is like walking into a night club without knowing anyone.

    granted that the "regulars" do know people but what happens is that they tend to group into their own cliques.

    some clubs as anjoooo mention do have challenge court system and even then, in order to play there you need to find a partner first. most of the time it is not hard as there are always the single person sitting around but it is not guaranteed.

    i sometimes wish the establishments here spend more effort in arranging games for the newcomer or the occasional visitors. but unfortunately that doesn't happen here.

    this is in very much contrast to other more socially sound clubs that i have played in other countries. there is usually a person who is in charge of the "club" where this person go around arranging games for people and making sure that the visitors are not left out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    huge bummer!!!!

    sorry to hear about the bad experience. i think the locals are not doing a great job with stranger.

    but that's seems to be the case in general. aside from a couple of places which are more stranger friendly, most groups are quite cliquey and it does take time to join them, even for a local player.

    feel bad that i missed seeing this thread earlier otherwise i would've met up with you for some games.
    Cheers kwun. Yes, it was a bit of a disappointment, however, you live and learn. Next time, we'll just grit our teeth and make the first step.

    Not to worry! Although it would've been great to meet up with you and perhaps other BCers while we were there. Thanks for the offer. Oh well...next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    the definition, organization, and social structure of a "club" in Australia and in the US is very different.
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    Yes, I understand... Even in Melbourne, the majority of BC groups playing say that they are clubs, when they are not officially registered with our government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    the definition, organization, and social structure of a "club" in Australia and in the US is very different.

    in the US, a "club" is no more than a gym with courts and a person to look after the front desk and collect money.

    ...

    this is in very much contrast to other more socially sound clubs that i have played in other countries. there is usually a person who is in charge of the "club" where this person go around arranging games for people and making sure that the visitors are not left out.
    Yeah, I think you're right about that.

    So far, I have played in:
    - Australia
    - Malaysia
    - Japan
    - China
    - USA (West)

    All except the US appeared to have clubs which have some sort of organiser/supervisor. I met some interesting people and made many friends through playing badminton at these clubs. Often, they would invite us to have a bite to eat at the local shop after the session (especially in Malaysia and China). It's a great way to meet people who are actually locals whilst on holiday. Of course, it helps immensely when you or one of your party speaks the local language (my gf speaks Chinese)!

    The best experience (so far) I had was in Xi'an, China. Before warming up for a match, my gf warned me that I had better try my best because they were debating whether I was good enough to play with them! It reminded me of those kung fu movies where different schools would challenge each other to duels! Apparently, I passed their "test" and we had lots of good matches. We ended up tagging along for supper afterwards where they introduced me to their local food that I never got to try on the tour. That's the kind of experience I'm after. Although, I guess you shouldn't expect that kind of treatment everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anjoooo View Post
    Yeah, I think you're right about that.

    So far, I have played in:
    - Australia
    - Malaysia
    - Japan
    - China
    - USA (West)

    All except the US appeared to have clubs which have some sort of organiser/supervisor. I met some interesting people and made many friends through playing badminton at these clubs. Often, they would invite us to have a bite to eat at the local shop after the session (especially in Malaysia and China). It's a great way to meet people who are actually locals whilst on holiday. Of course, it helps immensely when you or one of your party speaks the local language (my gf speaks Chinese)!

    The best experience (so far) I had was in Xi'an, China. Before warming up for a match, my gf warned me that I had better try my best because they were debating whether I was good enough to play with them! It reminded me of those kung fu movies where different schools would challenge each other to duels! Apparently, I passed their "test" and we had lots of good matches. We ended up tagging along for supper afterwards where they introduced me to their local food that I never got to try on the tour. That's the kind of experience I'm after. Although, I guess you shouldn't expect that kind of treatment everywhere.
    yes! i have some of those in HK and China as well. the groups are more social and tighter than over here in the US.

    it seems like many people in the US just interested in playing and after that they hurry back home to turn in and prepare for work the next day. it is not saying we are all boring ppl as i do know there are some groups who are much more social here, but they tend to be more rare. gym closing late (11pm usually) and not being a big nightlife area also compound the situation.

    i wish i am able to play in so many places as you!

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    London...when?!!!
    Do they still play with those archaic plastic shuttlecocks in Leeds? Must check that out as well.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Yes, I understand... Even in Melbourne, the majority of BC groups playing say that they are clubs, when they are not officially registered with our government.
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    Same case in HK. We have groups that sometimes coalesce into clubs but these clubs are probably not registered (after all, there is no system of club registration!). With court space at a premium, it's hard to get an introduction into some groups.

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    Yes, at SSF Bingtang it is 26 courts! At the challenge court, you can stay as long as you keep winning and desire to stay on. The longest one I have seen was a pair of my friends winning for over 20 consecutive games! Friday evenings are best. CheersHugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Same case in HK. We have groups that sometimes coalesce into clubs but these clubs are probably not registered (after all, there is no system of club registration!). With court space at a premium, it's hard to get an introduction into some groups.
    do u usually go to discuss.com.hk for these clubs?

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    Arrow Groups that sometimes coalesce into clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Same case in HK. We have groups that sometimes coalesce into clubs but these clubs are probably not registered (after all, there is no system of club registration!). With court space at a premium, it's hard to get an introduction into some groups.
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    That's what I have known too.

    Organisers of groups sometimes coalesce to form clubs. But organisers of groups here at BC should invite ALL BCers, otherwise why be post at BC?

    Also, club registration with the government implies a formation of a formal club. Yes, it costs money to register. And also when registering, insurance for players needs to be taken care of. All this will cost money.

    Groups should state to their players playing with them (playing at their cheaper fees), to realise that players playing with them are playing at their own risks - in other words, organisers are not liable to be sued (when injuries, accidents, etc, ... occur).

    As for me, I would rather charge my players with more fees to cover all the financial situations (so that I won't be sued).
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