Tata Open India International Challenge 2011

**badMania** · 12-17-2011, 06:19 AM

The IND pair forced rubber-set.

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by ullisse

Is he Atik Jauhari?

Nope..he was used to be in Pelatnas ( same batch with Tony G)..Atik is Russian National coach now

**AlanY** · 12-17-2011, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by huangkwokhau

Nope..he was used to be in Pelatnas ( same batch with Tony G)..Atik is Russian National coach now

so russia got an indoneian coach, no wonder of their recent improvement!

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

so russia got an indoneian coach, no wonder of their recent improvement!

Hm...I dont consider he is quite good...Russia wanted Sigit Budiarto or Luluk Hadiyanto first...,Atik used to coach Saina

**badMania** · 12-17-2011, 06:28 AM

The INA pair leads 11-9 at the interval. But really, they are better in attacking rather than defending. Christopher's defense is especially weak and he was often caught flat-footed.

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 06:30 AM

Indonesian who coaching India is Edwin Iriawan....He was used to pair with Ade Lukas ( Djarum coach for Remaja MD)

**winzerer** · 12-17-2011, 06:37 AM

Christo is the weak link and i don't like his drive play, reflect and footwork

**badMania** · 12-17-2011, 06:37 AM

Terrible performance once again once they exchanged sides and Christopher Rusdianto is really weak in his defense! How many pts was lost because he simply could not return the bird!

The IND pair deserves the victory as they edged it out 21-18 at the decider.

Verdict: split the INA pair!

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by badMania

Terrible performance once again once they exchanged sides and Christopher Rusdianto is really weak in his defense! How many pts was lost because he simply could not return the bird!

The IND pair deserves the victory as they edged it out 21-18 at the decider.

Verdict: split the INA pair!

No split for next year or demotion....you cant judge from one performance..remember that this pair won Bahrain by beating Thomas/Kumar also....

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 06:40 AM

So far 2 titles for INA and 1 for India....

**winzerer** · 12-17-2011, 06:42 AM

Hopefully both WS won't take too much time so i could watch Alam and Vito

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 06:44 AM

gonna get some sleep....stilll jetleg..........

**badMania** · 12-17-2011, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by huangkwokhau

No split for next year or demotion....you cant judge from one performance..remember that this pair won Bahrain by beating Thomas/Kumar also....

Well, it's not just from one performance. Andrei/Christopher also lost to Praveen Jordan/Didit Juang Indrianto at the Kejurnas. They also lost to Tan Wee Tat/Tan Yip Juin in the first-round of Malaysia IC and to the WJC 2011 winner Nelson Heg/Teo Ee Yi in the Singapore IC. Those 2 pairs should be younger than them.

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by badMania

Well, it's not just from one performance. Andrei/Christopher also lost to Praveen Jordan/Didit Juang Indrianto at the Kejurnas. They also lost to Tan Wee Tat/Tan Yip Juin in the first-round of Malaysia IC and to the WJC 2011 winner Nelson Heg/Teo Ee Yi in the Singapore IC. Those 2 pairs should be younger than them.

Even with few bad results...not easy to find another solid pairs....even for Rendy S, still could not find new partner...IMO..not wise yet to split yet....Ulin/Ricky Karanda has not performed well either...

**badMania** · 12-17-2011, 07:27 AM

That's why INA lacks the courage of KOR or CHN coaches, who dare to split even highly ranked pairs like Ko Sung Hyun/Ha Jung Eun or Tao Jiaming/Tian Qiang (ranked at top 5).

That's also how we ended up with pairs like Rijal/Debby and Rendy/Afiat, who still are lingering below the top 20 despite being paired up for 2 years or more.

Also, too many "Fats" in the organization resulting in underachieving players.

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by badMania

That's why INA lacks the courage of KOR or CHN coaches, who dare to split even highly ranked pairs like Ko Sung Hyun/Ha Jung Eun or Tao Jiaming/Tian Qiang (ranked at top 5).

That's also how we ended up with pairs like Rijal/Debby and Rendy/Afiat, who still are lingering below the top 20 despite being paired up for 2 years or more.

Also, too many "Fats" in the organization resulting in underachieving players.

INA's system is different......if we keep changing players...even now..There is strong rumour that Djarum and Jaya Raya may not give their players to Pelatnas ( except XD) as they felt that many of their players were not given chance or being split and being kicked out later....it is a bit complex...

Let me ask you if the winner of Kejurnas has to be IN in Cipayung..do you think Senatria deserves to be part of pelatnas as he has not performed well before( had been demoted)....or Ocoy which has been criticized for not performing ...did not do well in Kejurnas or any tournaments..Li Mao wanted to kick her out...but being Runner UP..she is given a chance as other officials argue that INA WS junior has not been in any podium in WJC......now we all know that it is tough for Ocoy to perform well in future...will you kick her out and give her another chance?

I heard Djarum is worried that later on their players might be kicked out if they dont perform well in first 2 years..so I heard they prefer to groom their own players from now on..also Djarum may not pass their WD and MD players to Pelatnas next year .....thats more complex that you think....

PBSI wanted to demote many players especially in MS and WS but Li Mao thinks some of their players may be performing late....now there is BIG battles between PBSI and Li Mao which believes some of MS juniors are good...and need time under his guidance...

**huangkwokhau** · 12-17-2011, 07:53 AM

Also PBSI wanted to trim MS and WS and prefer to kick out quite many players...Li Mao argued that some of them will be good but need time under his guidance....and prefer to keep them..so now it is not officials do not want to demote....remember that PBSI has policy that once you are OUT..you can not enter pelatnas anymore..examples: slim chance for Senatria to be part of INA squad as he is ex pelatnas...