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11-27-2011, 11:05 PM #18
(2) If you are a jobless guy who hates the government but cannot vote or go on a mini parade, and every day you walk on the street seeing only people, people and people and knowing the fact there are 1.4 billion people in the country, you may think it's the people here that caused your misery.
(3) They want to be USA citizens, that's so easy to understand.
(4) They hate the government and they think LD represents the government, not them. They think the Chinese badminton team is "a waste of taxpayers' money", so they hate LD.
Last edited by lucida; 11-27-2011 at 11:13 PM.
11-28-2011, 01:02 AM #19
Last edited by eaglehelang; 11-28-2011 at 01:10 AM.
11-28-2011, 02:36 AM #20
(2) well, we can just ignore the jobless folks or any other desperados...they may simply hate everything and everyone incl their own parents and very existences into this world amidst their ordeals
(3) If you state this info 5 years ago, a while before the 2008 GFC, readers may still buy into it. Nowadays only cavemen still think it's a heaven! Needless to say, for some high achievers, everywhere is cool for they bring along plenty of cash with them.
(4) Those people, if any, just hate everything...from the failed soccer team, Beijing Olympics, Shanghai World Expo, high-speed rail to China's space programs and so on...keep on thinking why govt "wastes" the money i/o handing out freely to them.
My other common senses, there are always some perverts in society regardless how strict they are, some losers in a nation regardless how progressive they are as a unity... or generally speaking, in whatsoever quality or trait, there's always an exceptionalness.
11-28-2011, 03:34 AM #21
so tell me, are you hating yourself very much right now? since the day you were born??
11-28-2011, 04:50 AM #22
I'm not a hater. I hate haters. I'm just stating the truth.
Whatever you think, people still think USA is a heaven, because they can get what they see as freedom. You can't get as much freedom in China as in western countries. Like it or not, that's what most people believes. Of all the top oversea students in western countries, at least 3/4 of them won't come back.
The Chinese government is a totalarian government. The government itselfs admit that. It may be a good government form, but this form is very easy to get hated.
While about taxpayers' money, high-speed rail and space program may actually seems useful, but sports (to those people) seems totally useless, because normal people or non-sports lovers can get nothing from it. Every day on major forums, there are heated debates one whether the country should subsidize athletes. And some famous medias consider it a shame for Chinese people because "only China is doing this".
11-28-2011, 04:52 AM #23
11-28-2011, 05:11 AM #24
I am just describing to you what I hear and what I see.
The problem about government form and the problem about national sports policies are very big and realistic issues. At least 100 million people are still in poverty by interantional standard, so people just don't really like rich people, especially those they consider not having contributed anything, like atheletes. That's why there are so many national team haters.
Do you think any malaysian will hate LCW because they hate the malaysian government? It's weird, right? But in China it may be the right thing to do.
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11-28-2011, 06:48 AM #25
they didnt hate lcw
they look down on lcw
11-28-2011, 06:59 AM #26
Lucida, try to focus on the sport individual(s) and sport-related matters instead of knocking any country or nation, which isn't nice! A country or nation is definitely beyond any individual! As this is a sport or badminton forum in particular, i think any further discussion into other realm is inappropriate here (though i'm more than willing to have a friendly discussion with you upon it, esp. as i notice you've very shaped views).
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11-28-2011, 07:45 AM #27
In the first post I was just trying to tell you why LD was upset, because normally he wouldn't be. It's you who asked me to further state my opinion with a rather long post, and you think it's not nice now?
Are you Chinese or do you care about China very much? If not, I don't think you will be very persuasive.
Last edited by lucida; 11-28-2011 at 07:53 AM.
11-28-2011, 11:37 AM #28
Thank Lucida and Kelana both for your discussion. I fully understand both of you.
I think all views are shaped, all views are the reflection of his or her personal cultural sediment. Any statements, made by anyone, are the facts shaped by his analysis of relationship, pattern and risk taking.
Lucida has been clear on distinguish the facts, he presented from his view, and his personal standing. I see very valid reason for "haters" to "hate", although I don't think haters is the appropriate term for them. I don't think "haters" agreed others call them "haters".
Most misunderstanding comes with over generalization. This generalization could be made by the writer or by the reader.
For writers: For example, Here are the rules to write:
1) It should be ok to write: "Lin Dan is handsome". or "Taufik is cute"
2) It might be ok too to write: "Chinese are beautiful" or "Indonesians are pretty"
3) It's still fine to write: "Lin Dan is ugly" or "Taufik is ugly"
4) But it's NOT right to write "Chinese are ugly" or "Indonesians are ugly"
I never hate any people. It's not healthy to claim "I hate Lin Dan" or "I hate Taufik", but it's ok legally.
If someone claims "I hate Chinese" or "I hate Indonesians", then it's a crime; based on the #4 rule above.
It's important for writes to write right, and then readers have to interpret right too. Here are the rules to read:
1) "Chinese are beautiful" can be derived to "Wang YH is beautiful. That's ok.
2) It's fine to interpret that "Wang YH is beautiful" as "Chinese are beautiful", although it may not correct logically, it's fine legitimately.
3) But it's NOT right to draw your conclusion "Chinese are ugly" based on the statement "Lin Dan is ugly". That's not right.
One live example here:
Once I wrote I didn't like Taufik's on court behaviour, then huangkwokhau concluded that I hate all Indonesia players. This is an example huangkwokhau violated the readers' rule #3.
Once I wrote that I found Indonesia local organization did terrible job, then huangkwokhau accused me of hating all Indonesia people. That's a serious violation of his side on reading my writing.
Summary, both writers and readers have to obey the rules, and respect each other. I fully respect the people who either love Lin Dan or hate Lin Dan. I see both sides strong legitimate points. When I sit inside stadium watching LD vs LCW, I could "Jia You" for either one of them. 99% chance I will "Jia You" the one who's falling behind, as many friends suggested here.
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11-28-2011, 11:45 AM #29
By the way, I think mod/admin should kindly give huangkwokhau yellow card or/and red card for his continuous violations.
11-28-2011, 12:41 PM #30
11-28-2011, 12:57 PM #31
As a Chinese currently working in US, who has spent more than 7 years here, I am wondering is that, USA is a heaven, Shanghainese view of points? As Shanghai being a modern and international metropolitan, this opinion still sounds short-sighted, very, very much. It sounds more like a 90-year old men who never steps out his own house.
Yes, many Chinese remain in US after studying. But are you blind for the trend? Comparing those who went to US in 1990's and those did in 2000's, what are the ratios and what is the trend?
And, if you ask Chinese what they need most in today's society. Guess how many would answer "freedom". At least my families in China won't answer this. They will say: more good food, more good clothes, cheaper price, etc. lol
11-28-2011, 01:10 PM #32
11-28-2011, 04:57 PM #33
Moderators should have warned you....
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11-28-2011, 05:26 PM #34
You should inform your chinese forums that CBA did not use Tax money..may be during Olympic's program..
Being athlete is not easy...may be 1 out of 10000 can earn the living and many do not go to school and very much dedicate to the sport ( I am not talking about Chinese players only but mostly for Asian players) and they bring country's name...seriously..no reason to hate them..unless you do not like their behaviours ( thats another thing)
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