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11-09-2009, 04:01 PM #86
u and other nay sayers may say i am joking around? i have the analogue proof, unlike some other people with hollow statement (about me)
I pray that lyb doesn't read this thread, and hope LD don't squeal on me
Last edited by cooler; 11-09-2009 at 04:06 PM.
11-09-2009, 04:12 PM #87
11-09-2009, 04:19 PM #88
11-09-2009, 04:26 PM #89
A beat B, B beat C so A should be able to beat C, is a false argument, no matter how close "A beat B" and "B beat C" are.
My 2004 OG example is not to "back up" my argument, it's to expose your "logic".
Btw, if I remember correctly, you are among those people who always said TH's OG title is "luck" because LD lost early. Or you are not one of those people?
11-09-2009, 04:35 PM #90
Luck means it help TH, not 100% luck, nothing is 100%. TH still has to run around the court and hit the shuttle around to win.
in 04 OG, LD, RS, boonsak are all new to big tournament, did poorly mainly because of inexperience and unsolified mental focus. I said luck meaning TH did not encounter any chinese. If u look at TH record recently, his record against the chineses are terrible. Luck also means stupid OG rules allowing only 3 top players from each country. China can field 4 to 5 chineses in 04 OG if that stupid rule isnt there.
That is why TH do lousy in Opens like FO, AE, etc (except INA open of course) because there's no restriction on entry except withdrawal. Show me a TH title from an Open where LD was there..
Last edited by cooler; 11-09-2009 at 04:40 PM.
11-09-2009, 04:46 PM #91
11-09-2009, 04:48 PM #92
11-09-2009, 05:01 PM #93
2. ok in one case out of ?? H2H with TH? Does one case disprove that a peak LD can beat a peak TH? i have said before, TH peak years were 04 and 05. Even then, TH didn't dominated LD like LD dominate everybody else today. In 04/05 years, young LD vs peak TH is around 50/50 chance.
Last edited by cooler; 11-09-2009 at 05:10 PM.
11-10-2009, 02:29 PM #94
11-16-2009, 09:55 AM #95
There certaintly isn't any contest here. The older generation player did not have the opportunity to reach their top potential. Plus the newer player have the benefit of "knowledge" such as hold and flick, double wrist action etc.
I will have to agree that the sheer physical superiority of today's player will overwelm the player of the past, especially in men singles. It doesn't even have to be a endurance race. Fast player like LCW and Lindan will just reach the net early with a tight spinning net shot, force a short lift and then smash winners.
11-16-2009, 11:20 AM #96
You must be kidding... This is what you said
"That is why TH do lousy in Opens like FO, AE, etc (except INA open of course) because there's no restriction on entry except withdrawal. Show me a TH title from an Open where LD was there.."
The "(except INA open of course)" is effective for both sentences?!
04-05 TH vs LD is 3:1. If we follow your criterion and take away those matches in Indonesia and China, it's 2:0. How come it's 50-50?!
Let's say 3:1(2:0) indeed is close to 50-50 . Now take a look at LD vs LCW. LD vs LCW in 2008 is 3:1 (Swiss, Thomas, OG, China). If we take away those matches held in China and Malaysia, it's 1:1; LD vs LCW in 2009 is 3:1 (AE, Swiss, Sudirman, China Masters). If we take away those held in China and Malaysia, it's again 1:1. So LD vs LCW should be like 45-55, right?
11-16-2009, 11:23 AM #97
Actually I never did so. You should read my posts more carefully.
My argument is as follows.
First, everyone knows, if A is much superior to B in speed/power, there is no way B can match A.
Now suppose there is evidence showing that A and B have close matches.
Conclusion: There cannot be huge gap between A and B in speed/power.
11-16-2009, 12:01 PM #98
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