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11-27-2009, 10:09 PM #120
11-28-2009, 02:11 AM #121
u should get that fren to be a bf member and be educated about badminton
Last edited by cooler; 11-28-2009 at 02:16 AM.
11-28-2009, 05:27 AM #122
Dear volcom & cooler..
- The notion that OSS favors a player with better stamina doesn't really jive with me. Esp. with the example of using TH, as we know he really is not known for his stamina. Yes, he can be considered more of a defensive player thus a technically better player; only relies on his technical abilities to survive.
- No, unfortunately, i didn't get a chance to watch much of those greats in the 80s play (Han Jiang, Ardy, FKK, YY, ZJH etc.) So you're asking the wrong person.
- I can try to ask that friend of mine to join BC, but i don't think he needs to be educated abt baddy as he could wipe my rear in Singles and probably yours as well (yes, the ABC guys know him), even if he's in his late 40s..
Last edited by ctjcad; 11-28-2009 at 05:35 AM.
11-28-2009, 07:42 AM #123
11-30-2009, 02:52 PM #124
11-30-2009, 02:55 PM #125
In that private club where some national players train there.
He is a full time head technical coach there, unlike KDM who has to study.
He has free reign to use the club facilities, pool, sauna, tracks, equip rooms, the work. If ardy feels he's not up to it, he wouldn't had flown down there to compete.
yes, howard shu ain't casual player but still a no name player. i never heard of him b4. just look at the short video, Ardy's point mostly came from the net area, when he clear or receving clear, it's more than 50% he'll lose the point.
Last edited by cooler; 11-30-2009 at 03:10 PM.
11-30-2009, 03:34 PM #126
He has the facility for training doesn't mean he is under intense training. At least the coaches in my club do not seem to be training themselves. They just play for fun (and yes, they attend tournaments sometimes).
There are thousands of "no name" players in China. Do you think LD in his 40s can kick their asses?
11-30-2009, 03:57 PM #127
11-30-2009, 04:21 PM #128
As far as i know..
http://www.usabadminton.org/news/article/8770 and was selected to compete in last yr's Thomas Cup).
He was the #1 Singles player, 2 yrs ago as a high school junior, for his age group in the nation.
Age difference between Howard and Ardy is probably almost like a 25 yrs gap.
Last edited by ctjcad; 11-30-2009 at 04:35 PM.
11-30-2009, 05:06 PM #129
A young folk training in the USA in PRESENT beat a WORLDCLASS player from the PAST who also involve full-time in the sport.
Is age the only factor here, even with all his skills and experience? Could it perhaps that the past player just isn't as good as you have imagined, or the sport has evolved to a higher level today????
To your last question. Yes, I would still expect a lot from an ex-worldclass player at only his 40s and play regularly at high-level.
11-30-2009, 05:28 PM #130
- 2nd pt, it's a combination of those factors. And age is a big part. Past players do have an "expiration date". Now, if one wants to compare a regular Joe Schmoe social baddy club player playing against Ardy (at his current age), then of course Ardy would most likely be able to beat that player.
- That particular match, i thought Ardy wasn't prepared to compete, perhaps didn't train as much. Also consider the type of scoring system used. Perhaps Ardy could've won using the OSS??..Anyway, it could've gone either way as it went to a rubber game..
Last edited by ctjcad; 11-30-2009 at 05:42 PM.
11-30-2009, 05:58 PM #131
I'd have to guess that since Ardy's days of training and competing are over, he didn't enter a tournament because he wanted to win. He probably just wanted to play because he still likes badminton, and his skills and experience get him far without doing any training. If his reason for entering the tournament was to get as far as he could, doing a little bit of training and focusing on it would be second nature to him. I just don't think that was the case. He also probably didn't care very much that he lost, whereas if I were the young player who beat him, i'd probably care a lot, since i still have aspirations of going as far as i possibly could.
11-30-2009, 06:28 PM #132
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...6&postcount=16 (2004 MS exhibition in calgary, MS contest only)
Peter is only 4 years younger than ardy.
Played OSS with peter who is also like ardy, not training much either.
bottom line, old school of sit back and defend is no match of today who can jumpsmash unless defender can dive and recover quickly like lcw and ld.
OSS isn't gonna save a old school player against a player of today.
Last edited by cooler; 11-30-2009 at 06:31 PM.
11-30-2009, 07:04 PM #133
Nevertheless, it is just ridiculous to always assume OSS affect the game that much, the better player is still the player player, no matter how you count the points.
I am not trying to discount Ardy. I am just trying to point out the fact that today's badminton has evolved to a higher level. And those people who always try to argue that the past players are more skillful is not enough to save their butt in today's game that has become much more intense.
Bottom line? Today's players are stronger than the past, and the future players will be stronger than today.
11-30-2009, 07:10 PM #134
- Howard Shu is not in his 20s. At least not the last i checked. Did you read my post above abt Howard Shu (post #128)??..Like i wrote, the match could've gone either way (it wasn't as if Ardy lost in straight games or got owned). Perhaps the next time they meet and with a bit more training, Ardy would get the upperhand??..
- No one is doubting today's players are "better" physically than past and future players will be "better" than today. But how abt technique and skill wise? That is open to discussion.
- Yes, y'day's style of game and today's style of game are much different. Partly due to the training and conditioning.
- Stay tuned...to hear more abt what i got from that M'sian friend (and a few other folks) on your questions.
*cooler, you meant Ardy is not even 40 yet??..Peter Rasmussen is only in his mid 30s/35 y.o.
Last edited by ctjcad; 11-30-2009 at 07:17 PM.
11-30-2009, 07:52 PM #135
What I am saying is, a 40+ former World No.1 haven't been involved in systematic training for more than 10 years got beaten by a 20 yr old nobody training everyday is not surprising at all. On the other hand, if Ardy can indeed match a Chinese regional player, I would be surprised.
Furthermore, stamina is a big problem. When you stop systematic training, stamina falls quickly. In 1997, ZJH beat the MSs (rumor has it that SJ is among the losers) from JiangSu when playing one game, 7 pts. If it's a 3-game, 15 pts match, ZJH will have no chance. But the fact that he beat those young players in a 7-pt game shows that, when both have full stamina, there is no problem for ZJH to keep up with the pace ~10 years after his era.
11-30-2009, 09:30 PM #136
U disbelievers are just beating around the bush on this topic. U didn't nor can't produce one bonafide example to show otherwise.
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