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    Quote Originally Posted by urameatball View Post
    both those cases are regular shots hit above head height, but behind the body, and makes covering the full diagonal fairly easy.
    the original post refers to shoulder height hits, which is performed when you're already in trouble in a rally, where hitting the cross with accuracy is hard enough, but covering the full diagonal even harder.
    Well then I'll redefine the original question: it doesn't matter if the shuttle's above the head or at shoulder height, the main point is that the shuttle in all cases is aligned with your body. Not behind like in the first example (I agree it's a difficult shot in any case), but not in front of you either.

    I mean when you're behind the shuttle, I have no problem to perform a crosscourt drop. In fact I attack the shuttle as if I wanted to smash in order to hit it in front of me, and hit a fast drop shot. No trouble there. I'm more interested when the shuttle's aligned with your body (to your right). The last two examples in fact. I find quite more difficult to perform a crosscourt from there. Maybe the point is changing the grip slightly towards a thumb grip. Just guessing.

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    I have found an interesting variation to hit when the shuttle is behind you. It seems to be a very old book, but I've cut the photograms, and created a video sequence. The quality's poor due to the small pics, but I think you can get the point.

    Source: http://www.xbadmintontricks.com/2010...fensive-clear/



    Sometimes you may not be able to play a shot with shuttlecock before you overhead in forehand position when you are out of position. By the time you react, the shuttlecock is over you and running to the baseline. In the following steps, Tang XianHu shows you how to play forehand defensive clear and get back to the game.

    Footwork:

    In the centre of badminton court, start with right foot with a step backward to the right. Then left foot crosses over right foot with a big leaping step. Use three steps to get your badminton racket behind the shuttlecock, not your body as it is too late. Be aware that the last step covers quite a distance, so you need to stretch out your right leg with a leaping in your left foot. (See figure 1-9).

    Playing the shot:

    When you are landing your right foot, back swing your racket head from chest to near your right foot. (See figure 9). Stretch your forehand as far back to baseline as possible with forearm stupinated (rotating outward). This is to make sure that your racket is behind the shuttlecock. It is impossible to play the shot if your racket is not behind the shuttlecock. Forearm supinated will create maximum racket head travelling distance before hitting the shuttlecock and use forehand pronation to generate the power.

    From the above position, pronate forearm and hold badminton racket tight when hitting the shuttlecock.

    After hitting the shuttlecock, allow racket to follow through to your left thigh area. Be aware that your left leg retracts closer to your right leg. This is very important as it will help you to quickly shift your weight to your left foot later and start moving back the court centre.

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    As I said, and as the example shows all the top players have to play this shot at times, again as I said the original example the shot was taken fractionally later than normal late and the opponent was early on the shot. The technique for lunging backwards and playing the straight and cross drop (with slice!) is included on Peter Rasmussen's excellent recent technique dvd.

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    I hit that shot when I'm out of position or want to use deception. I usually slice the birdie when I perform it.

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    In most cases I still agree with urameatball, but the defensive clear is usually the better option when it's deep in your forehand corner. It's a much safer shot, easier to pull off, and less risky than the cross court drop when the shuttle is behind you and at head or shoulder level. The cross court drop from the position the OP described can be successful, but even then it is shown that it leaves a huge gap at the net even for the fastest players in the game. For the small chance that your shot does go in and is a quality shot, it's not a shot you'd like to rely on regularly because of the dangers posed.

    You can practice it, but unless you know you can get the shot perfect every time(which even Chen Long doesn't), it's much more reliable to do a defensive clear to give yourself a chance to get back into the rally instead of betting it on one shot.

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    Thumbs up Peter Gade did it 3 times in a row to get Lin Dan wrong-footed

    Quote Originally Posted by Tactim View Post
    You can practice it, but unless you know you can get the shot perfect every time(which even Chen Long doesn't), it's much more reliable to do a defensive clear to give yourself a chance to get back into the rally instead of betting it on one shot.
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    But when one can get the shot perfect, the opponent can be surprised.

    In jajvirta's post (Post #15);

    Quote Originally Posted by jajvirta View Post
    Isn't this Peter Gade's shot similar? (Rally starts at around 06:25 if the straight link doesn't work.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HywTsK0-WN4#t=385
    Peter Gade did it 3 times in a row;
    * the first one from his forehand cross-court,
    * the second from his fore-hand straight, and
    * the third from his back-hand to cross-court (the winner).

    Even Lin Dan, who is fast with his footwork, got wrong-footed; Because he was expecting Peter Gade to do a defensive clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    But when one can get the shot perfect, the opponent can be surprised.
    I couldn't have phrased it better.
    Indeed, the opponent will be surprised when you pull off the perfect shot in that situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by urameatball View Post
    the original post refers to shoulder height hits
    I wonder whether the original poster is actually interested in the shot played as low as the video they psoted, or whether they would be interested to know how it is hit from a little higher when it could be a little "safer" - still not great, but not so desperate.

    I think the examples from lee chong wei and peter gade are excellent examples of the same shot, used from a less "buggered" position within the rally. Attempting the shot is not, in my opinion, stupid. Attempting it from a deep lunge position on court? Probably not great... however, you have already lost the rally I would have thought.

    I think Saina Newhal uses this shot from quite low down fairly often if I recall correctly. Although I am not convinced it is a sensible choice, it is definitely something worth being able to do. If your opponent believes and knows you can only hit straight, you are equally stuffed as attempting this risky shot anyway. If you are going to play bad rallies and get into losing positions, you might as well show off your "skills"

    If I were going to attempt to play this shot, from head heigh or lower, I would either hit it with a sharp tapping motion, or with a vicious slice. But that is because if I hit a straight defensive drop, I either tap or slice.

    EDIT: I would use a regular forehand overhead grip most probably, but turning towards a thumb grip may seem comfortable to some people.

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    I will also mention that Peter Rasmussen (in his badminton life coaching cds) teaches this shot as the "Defensive Forehand Slice" (both straight and cross court) and provides excellent technical guidance on the point.

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    From the position in the video in the OP I would either do a high clear or try to drive it to the back line on my opponent's court. It might work to trick them doing that shoulder cross court drop but if they're already close to the net then it'd be an easy block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSeeley View Post
    I wonder whether the original poster is actually interested in the shot played as low as the video they posted, or whether they would be interested to know how it is hit from a little higher when it could be a little "safer" - still not great, but not so desperate.
    Hi,

    I was interested in the low-height shot. The other one is not so difficult to perform IMHO since it's quite similar to a regular overhead, thus applying slice is more like a fast drop shot, but not as high.

    However the defensive low one is way more difficult to me.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riuryK View Post
    I was interested in the low-height shot.
    Thanks for clarifying! In that case, I would play the shot with a touch of slice, using a sharp tapping movement - the shot should be crisp and fast, never slow.

    How often do you find you need to (or want to) play this shot in a game? Once in a match? Once a game? Or never - you just want to be able to play the shot?

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSeeley View Post
    How often do you find you need to (or want to) play this shot in a game? Once in a match? Once a game? Or never - you just want to be able to play the shot?
    Thanks a lot for your tips! I just want to have it in my arsenal. I end up in that position in the corner several times in a game, and from there I use the play the much safer so-called in Rasmussen's DVD "Defensive forehand clear". It's a safer shot, you send it high and deep to the backhand corner, a let's start over.

    However I want to include also this crosscourt stroke, so I'm not so predictable, since my rival would end up knowing I will always play that defensive forehand clear once and again.

    Thanks. Take care.

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    Sounds sensible to me. Consider doing some more rasmussen style footwork drills however - I don't think you should need to play this shot quite so often. Players usually struggle to move deep into their forehand corner (and recover from their especially). Perhaps you won't need to play the shot so much if you can intercept the shuttle using the jump out/china jump footwork instead?

    Happy new year to everyone!

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