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    Does the VT-ZF have a thicker frame than VT80? Does it also have a bigger frame size than AS-ZS?Also, anyone got a comparison between VT-ZF and Li Ning N90 yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sFrog View Post
    So it is available in Germany finally. I'm from Germany too and play in the forth and fifth devision... greetings from Germany to Germany.

    I just wonder if even sport-klauer will want 169€... since I haven't paid that much for a racket, I mean 169 squid? Come on
    Thats exactly how much they are here, unstrung - AUD205.

    Again, if you don't want to pay Western prices......don't buy them in the West!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssgg007 View Post
    maybe a 4u would be easier to handle considering the bp and sw( from at700 website)
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    92
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    still had margin between 2~5 gr in sw compared to it's true weight. can't they make one that swings true to weight? is it that tricky to doing so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadBoy087 View Post
    still had margin between 2~5 gr in sw compared to it's true weight. can't they make one that swings true to weight? is it that tricky to doing so?
    ummm... that's not the point

    the point is that vt80 and vtzf feels heavier when you swing it than the specs indicate

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    just came back from a session. half of the time I used VT80 3U strung at 26lbs with Zymax 62 and the other half I used VtZF 3U withYY Ultimax at 26lbs. both are excellent rackets but I feel that ZF packs a meaner punch. To me it is also stiffer. If I had to choose , I think ZF would be my go to racket now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulstewart64 View Post
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    Yes, you're right, but the UK is always late. We will get the new racquets, clothing, bags and shoes from May when they are already available now. That's the way it is.

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    That seems to be the case for Taiwan too. I haven't heard of any release date yet for Taiwan. It's good to see Yonex is focused on the core badminton markets of the US, Canada and Australia. No need to focus on frontier badminton backwaters like Taiwan and the UK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    ummm... that's not the point

    the point is that vt80 and vtzf feels heavier when you swing it than the specs indicate
    is it means that i have to find one weighing around 80~81 gr to get a sw in between 85~86 gr? cause i found that 85~86 gr of sw suit me better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    Thats exactly how much they are here, unstrung - AUD205.

    Again, if you don't want to pay Western prices......don't buy them in the West!
    You don't get it - we NEVER pay more than 150€ for a racket here^^ It's quite unusual, and I can't help but blame it on Li Ning and Victor. When Li Ning was available in more than like 2 or 3 shops, they started increasing prices, and Victor wants 170€ for the MX series. (although the BS LYD is only 120-130€).
    Yonex has been very consistent with their prices over the last couple years, always taking 150€ for the freshly released top models. I guess it's really just this one shop using the fact they're the first to have it to their advantage and ripping GO visitors off

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    You don't get it - we NEVER pay more than 150€ for a racket here^^ It's quite unusual, and I can't help but blame it on Li Ning and Victor. When Li Ning was available in more than like 2 or 3 shops, they started increasing prices, and Victor wants 170€ for the MX series. (although the BS LYD is only 120-130€).
    Yonex has been very consistent with their prices over the last couple years, always taking 150€ for the freshly released top models. I guess it's really just this one shop using the fact they're the first to have it to their advantage and ripping GO visitors off
    Well, could be inflation and fx fluctuations. You cannot expect to never pay more for something with inflation. Maybe the Japanese thinks that the € will go down the drain when the central bank starts printing money to bail out bankrupt countries.

    Usually competition decrease prices, so blaming Victor when they always price their rackets 20% Yonex seems kinda unreasonable. The funny thing is Yonex in Canada has gotten cheaper since the Canadian dollar got stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    You don't get it - we NEVER pay more than 150€ for a racket here^^ It's quite unusual, and I can't help but blame it on Li Ning and Victor. When Li Ning was available in more than like 2 or 3 shops, they started increasing prices, and Victor wants 170€ for the MX series. (although the BS LYD is only 120-130€).
    Yonex has been very consistent with their prices over the last couple years, always taking 150€ for the freshly released top models. I guess it's really just this one shop using the fact they're the first to have it to their advantage and ripping GO visitors off
    I think the NS9000X when debuted at German Open was even more than that but indeed the actual price in the shops usually ends up being lower than at these events. But iirc at the time that was the rrp for NS9000X it was going for at the GO (€169) but surely €160 is not the rrp for VT-ZF. VT80 was €160 in Holland at most shops in the beginning as well ... and now between 130-140.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iori View Post
    Well, could be inflation and fx fluctuations. You cannot expect to never pay more for something with inflation. Maybe the Japanese thinks that the will go down the drain when the central bank starts printing money to bail out bankrupt countries.

    Usually competition decrease prices, so blaming Victor when they always price their rackets 20% Yonex seems kinda unreasonable. The funny thing is Yonex in Canada has gotten cheaper since the Canadian dollar got stronger.
    Did you not read my post? the MX series went for 170-185 here. That is NOT below Yonex. Usually, they are cheaper, but somehow thought they could get more out of us for the MX70&80.
    Anyhow, I already said that the 169 is probably just as long as bsl sells it exclusively at the German Open. After that, competition will increase (i.e. other shops will sell it as well) and the price'll probably drop to the usual 150.
    'Printing money to bail out bankrupt countries' is not how it works, btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadBoy087 View Post
    is it means that i have to find one weighing around 80~81 gr to get a sw in between 85~86 gr? cause i found that 85~86 gr of sw suit me better
    Yep....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    Did you not read my post? the MX series went for 170-185 here. That is NOT below Yonex. Usually, they are cheaper, but somehow thought they could get more out of us for the MX70&80.
    Anyhow, I already said that the 169 is probably just as long as bsl sells it exclusively at the German Open. After that, competition will increase (i.e. other shops will sell it as well) and the price'll probably drop to the usual 150€.
    'Printing money to bail out bankrupt countries' is not how it works, btw
    it makes some sort of sense though to chagre more for better rackets :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    it makes some sort of sense though to chagre more for better rackets :-)
    To the dealer maybe, but to the consumer that's called gouging.

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    I think a consistent price for the top range is best, and that's what's Yonex and Victor have been doing so far (if you ignore the MX). The 80 was only some kind of limited edition/limited supply, so it's not even easily available around here anymore...funny marketing strategy, if you ask me. The 70 is seemingly deemed to have more potential and was released normally.
    But let's get back to discussing Yonex' new piece of kit and wait for the review of an advanced player

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    Did you not read my post? the MX series went for 170-185 here. That is NOT below Yonex. Usually, they are cheaper, but somehow thought they could get more out of us for the MX70&80.
    Anyhow, I already said that the 169 is probably just as long as bsl sells it exclusively at the German Open. After that, competition will increase (i.e. other shops will sell it as well) and the price'll probably drop to the usual 150€.
    'Printing money to bail out bankrupt countries' is not how it works, btw
    Ya I read your post, but you confused me with your statement of NEVER paying more for goods despite inflation. The price of carbon graphite increase, fuel increase, then racket prices increase, makes sense to me. Why must Victor sell below Yonex? If the market price for a professional grade racket is 170 then its 170.

    All I'm saying is someone is going to pay at the end and quantitative easing is ONE way of doing it.

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    The statement wasn't about goods, it was about professional grade rackets. And since carbon is getting more and more common, it gets cheaper instead of more expensive as it's produced in bigger quantities. And it's strange for a company fighting for market shares to price a product significantly above the rest of their own as well as the opposition's.
    Victor has to sell below Yonex, btw. They have to fight for market shares because they're kind of unpopular around here. Only their better prices make them a threat, otherwise nearly everyone would buy other brands.
    The Korean team does not have much of an advertising effect around here as the German badminton player in general is rather ignorant concerning international competition. About 2 thirds of the group I watched the GO with yesterday did not recognize the giant Lee Chong Wei ad.
    Yonex has the big advantage of being the brand that was always there, and the best for an incredibly long time.

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