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    Quote Originally Posted by riffsuad View Post
    ..no string actually, just dry swing at racket shop.
    With strings attached & a few strokes could make a huge different..

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulsync View Post
    Hmmm if is not much heavier, why 3U if given the choice again ? Juz wondering hahaha.Coz i've done a few dry swing with 3U before and is kinda taxing, momentum i guess.
    I just don't feel like the 4u has the weight I expected (preference) I also haven't weighed it so I might have gotten closer to 80g then 85g

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    I had to check that the thing wasnt a 2U because it felt ridiculously heavy - I suspect the example I played with is at least 10g heavier than my regular rackets.
    Same feeling here. Having played with Arc 10, VT 80, SW 35, MX 80, all 3U, VT was the heaviest feeling racket to me. The first impression when holding my 3U ZF is that the feeling is even noticeably heavier comparing to the VT 80.

    Personally, I don't like VT 80 a lot due to the shaft is not stiff enough, which can effect pushing shot's accuracy. Though with the same stiffness, Arc 10 gives me much better feeling. This might be due to the combination between head-heaviness and the stiffness (Arc 10 is less head heavy than VT 80).

    So, the extra stiffness in ZF and the head heaviness of VT 80, a tad less air resistance... Uhmm... I think it is really potential...

    Will try with it more before giving more specific comments on this new beast.

    Cheers.

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    i've seen many pe0ple sells their VTZF due t0 reas0n c0uldn't tame this beast,
    me t0o..for 1st time i'm holding this racket, I can't keep it up with this racket, but you all should knows that taming a beast is impossible in a one day. so, for a people who wants to sells this racket, I think you should sticks with this racket a little bit longer.
    Right now, this is the best racket along with my VT80. XD

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    Talking about taming the beast, just played 2 days in a row with this beast... and I can feel soreness in my triceps, of all places. Compared to the first day, on the second day my smashes were slower but defence and touch shots were great. Particularly, backhand serves and net play are very well easily controlled. I suppose the vs850 strings helped a bit.

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    finally gave in to the dark side of the force... as a user of vt80, vt80ltd and arc8dx (all 3ug5), here's my review of vtzf...

    yes, vtzf is very head heavy, and very stiff. the head heaviness is the same as my vt80ltd, which is noticeably heavier than my vt80. stiffness of vtzf is slightly less than that of arc8dx, but considering that it is very head heavy, flexing it is a bit challenging compared to arc8dx. because you need enough head speed to flex it, therefore u need more forearm/wrist strength to overcome that head heaviness during initial swing. although both vtzf and arc8dx are extra stiff, they feel different when contacting the bird. arc8dx feels more "hollow" in the shaft, and vtzf feels more "solid". this is probably due to the very thin shaft of vtzf.

    although the frame of vtzf is smaller, you won't feel it actually. hitting the sweetspot is not an issue if you already can constantly do it with your other rackets. as for better aerodynamism, yes, better than vt80. less lag due to air resistence.

    power of this racket can only be harnessed, if you can overcome the head heaviness and extra stiffness. indeed, more power than vt80. i have never thought that vt80 is flexi, but my opinion changed when i switched back to vt80 after playing with vtzf for an hour or so...

    to conclude, existing vt80 users shld be able to play with vtzf. but you may need some time to tune to the extra stiffness... if you can't handle vt80, then i suggest you stay away from vtzf. the above are just my opinion. remember, everybody plays differently, therefore feedbacks may differ as well. cheers!
    Last edited by ns9900; 04-01-2012 at 09:29 AM.

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    Totally agree with ns9900. The more I played, the more I feel the different between VT80 and ZF (both 3UG5). Both are very different racket. I am already missing the flex of VT80. VT80 is actually quite stiff, and like what ns9900 mention; once you tried VTZF, you get the idea of real stiffness with ZF.

    My setup is like this:
    VT80: NGB98 @ 28lbs
    VTZF: BG80power @27 lbs

    With VT80, the weight is very focus at the frame (because of the flex). With a fast wrist action (not necessary a powerful one), I can feel the weight resistance at the frame during swing initiation, and later on follow through.

    VTZF, on the other hand, is very stiff. It hardly flex, so the weight resistance is more focus on the shaft. Drive was difficult, without the flex, couple with a hard string, I need to use more arm motion to generate the swing speed. It sort of mess up my backhand as well (can't flex it enough). A soft string (like bg66 or ngb98) would deal better

    But VTZF is not all bad, because of the stiffness, with weight focus near the shaft, VTZF does generate more power. But clear was horrible, I need to put more speed in my swing to get that distance. Then again, I blame it on the hard string. (and partly due to my horribly slow swing)

    Overall, VT80 has become the more friendlier and forgiving racket compared to VTZF. For better or worst, I am sticking to VTZF, retiring my VT80 to rest. Just so until I am able to tame it. .

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    Guys, if you want to tame this beast easier, then maybe you need to do some of my armchair exercises.

    Go to the videos on my blog - they're free and see if these exercises help change your mind on this racquet.

    I am still waiting to test Z Force. My retailer has still not received their ordr from Yonex, so I have to wait patiently for this to arrive.

    Paul
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    @paul

    I'm looking forward to your review even though I already do have two of them. Please focus on one thing while playing doubles: Are you able to smash or flick your wrist fast enough to put the birdie of an very sharp and fast drive or smash defense to the ground? I think this is crucial for advanced doubles...

    I've had one very occasion where I hit it just a little too long of the back-line ... something that would not have happen with my Arc10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzrinRain View Post
    Just received my JP racket. Comparisons between JP and SP coming by tomorrow!
    azrinrain....any review yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzrinRain View Post
    For those who missed Part One, you can find it here:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...86#post1854886


    On another note, i got to cram in more play time for both my Z-Forces yesterday.
    I've basically got the 'rhythm' for playing with this.
    Since it's a little more head heavier and stiffer, the Z-Force forced (kinda redundant?) me to work harder.
    Stroke recovery is awesome and quick, smash returns, lifts, clears and drives felt almost effortless.
    However, getting drop shots to work (almost) perfectly required more time.
    Tumbling shots and sharp drops worked wonders on the Z-Force, given the head-heaviness of the racket, allowing for more control.
    The fun part was getting the power shots down. Net kills were effective and unforgiving (to the opposing team), although you need to step in a wee bit earlier for the kill.
    I enjoyed smashing with the Z-Force in particular. Given the right technique, one can deliver a pretty severe punch with this.

    All in all, the Z-Force is a pretty demanding all-round racket, suitable for both singles and doubles. I personally would not recommend this racket for beginners, you'll find that it'll sap all the fun out of badminton before you know it.
    The Z-Force is meant to be used at a high standard of play, to be strung with high tension strings (>28lbs IMO, depends on climate & country), so make sure you are prepared to work if you can't deliver what the Z-Force wants from you.
    You might feel awkward using the Z-Force for the first time, and for this i suggest sticking a little longer with your Z-Force to understand it's needs and demands. This is a great place to explore, as each player has his/her own individual skill, and the Z-Force can definitely deliver, once the demands be met.


    And on that bombshell, i hope you enjoy you Z-Forces, may the Z-Force be with you.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not supported, or endorsed by Yonex or it's subsidiaries. Neither am i doing this for profit. Do understand that everyone has a different style of play, therefore my statements are not necessarily accurate.
    Look like this is what you looking for.

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    I love my VT80 but I love my VTZF more!!! I got my timing right in one game and it is everything it is claimed to be. The only thing is it has a smaller frame but if you got your timing right...it doesn't matter. I won all my singles game tonight with BG80P @ 27lbs. Smashes were harder and steeper. Net plays were just great. And defense and drives were not a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanucksDynasty View Post
    I love my VT80 but I love my VTZF more!!! I got my timing right in one game and it is everything it is claimed to be. The only thing is it has a smaller frame but if you got your timing right...it doesn't matter. I won all my singles game tonight with BG80P @ 27lbs. Smashes were harder and steeper. Net plays were just great. And defense and drives were not a problem.
    Just curious, sinceyou were able to transpose your game effectively and immediately to a smaller headed frame, from VT80 to VTZF, did you achieve similar results as well with Arc ZS; assuming you've tried it too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zleap View Post
    Just curious, sinceyou were able to transpose your game effectively and immediately to a smaller headed frame, from VT80 to VTZF, did you achieve similar results as well with Arc ZS; assuming you've tried it too?
    Sorry. Never played with ArcZS. I stayed away from it after reading how hard it is to play with. My friend got the ArcZS last year. He likes it but I think his game is a bit off with it.

    The transition from VT80 to VTZF is really easy. It's almost the same head heaviness but the VTZF is much more quicker. I normally have problems with my flick serve on my VT80. Not a problem at all with my VTZF. Also my smashes with VT80 were more flat but with my VTZF it's steeper. The VTZF is a bit more stiffer which lends to better accuracy. Just loving it. I hope to repeat my success next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzrinRain View Post
    For those who missed Part One, you can find it here:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...86#post1854886


    On another note, i got to cram in more play time for both my Z-Forces yesterday.
    I've basically got the 'rhythm' for playing with this.
    Since it's a little more head heavier and stiffer, the Z-Force forced (kinda redundant?) me to work harder.
    Stroke recovery is awesome and quick, smash returns, lifts, clears and drives felt almost effortless.
    However, getting drop shots to work (almost) perfectly required more time.
    Tumbling shots and sharp drops worked wonders on the Z-Force, given the head-heaviness of the racket, allowing for more control.
    The fun part was getting the power shots down. Net kills were effective and unforgiving (to the opposing team), although you need to step in a wee bit earlier for the kill.
    I enjoyed smashing with the Z-Force in particular. Given the right technique, one can deliver a pretty severe punch with this.

    All in all, the Z-Force is a pretty demanding all-round racket, suitable for both singles and doubles. I personally would not recommend this racket for beginners, you'll find that it'll sap all the fun out of badminton before you know it.
    The Z-Force is meant to be used at a high standard of play, to be strung with high tension strings (>28lbs IMO, depends on climate & country), so make sure you are prepared to work if you can't deliver what the Z-Force wants from you.
    You might feel awkward using the Z-Force for the first time, and for this i suggest sticking a little longer with your Z-Force to understand it's needs and demands. This is a great place to explore, as each player has his/her own individual skill, and the Z-Force can definitely deliver, once the demands be met.


    And on that bombshell, i hope you enjoy you Z-Forces, may the Z-Force be with you.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not supported, or endorsed by Yonex or it's subsidiaries. Neither am i doing this for profit. Do understand that everyone has a different style of play, therefore my statements are not necessarily accurate.
    You must be watching a lot of Top Gear.. great review and thank for the effort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanucksDynasty View Post
    Sorry. Never played with ArcZS. I stayed away from it after reading how hard it is to play with. My friend got the ArcZS last year. He likes it but I think his game is a bit off with it.The transition from VT80 to VTZF is really easy. It's almost the same head heaviness but the VTZF is much more quicker. I normally have problems with my flick serve on my VT80. Not a problem at all with my VTZF. Also my smashes with VT80 were more flat but with my VTZF it's steeper. The VTZF is a bit more stiffer which lends to better accuracy. Just loving it. I hope to repeat my success next week.
    How much is tads selling it for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanucksDynasty View Post
    Sorry. Never played with ArcZS. I stayed away from it after reading how hard it is to play with. My friend got the ArcZS last year. He likes it but I think his game is a bit off with it.

    The transition from VT80 to VTZF is really easy. It's almost the same head heaviness but the VTZF is much more quicker. I normally have problems with my flick serve on my VT80. Not a problem at all with my VTZF. Also my smashes with VT80 were more flat but with my VTZF it's steeper. The VTZF is a bit more stiffer which lends to better accuracy. Just loving it. I hope to repeat my success next week.
    Steeper smashes have nothing to do with the racket - your timing must've been a little off before. The racket does not give you bigger reach, so the best angle you can achieve is always the same

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