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    yup. These grommets are also applicable for VT70.

    and it is not necessary to be cut, when being applied for VT80 and VT70.


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    lcw, come on, dont use the vt-zf if u afraid your shoulder problem happen again. olympics is coming, u hv to prepare your mental beside the pyshical preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonexFan View Post
    Just strung the racket with NBG98 because my VT70 and VT80 are also strung with this string at 11 kg. It was already said that this racket is an improved ARC-ZS, but nobody told me stringing it was just as painful to get the top sections right. I had real problems getting the string between the small margins of the main string. Also the latest cross string in top is very marginal measured. I had little to no space between the top support of the frame and the clamps. Above the clamps, I also had to get the string mover between the clamp and the frame for the tie-off, which was really impossible to do. And after stringing, I have another painful experience in damaging the stickers on the side of the frame. Why on earth stickers for such an expensive racket?

    I measured the shaft, and this is indeed the thinnest shaft I have in my collection with just 6,87 mm. This was not the case with the VT70 and VT80 (7,00 mm). The classic Carbonex 21 was the thinnest (6,94 mm). Was... Also measured the dimensions of the frame. The VT-ZF is the widest, but also has a thinner frame compared to the VT80. The VT70 remains the thinnest racket of the Voltric series. I don't have the VT60 by hand, but expect the same dimensions for the frame, but a thicker shaft. Balance wise, the chart of Yonex is confirmed compared with 4U-G4 rackets.

    First opportunity to play with the racket is tomorrow night. Very curious about the power it should have.
    I had the change playing a lot with the VT-ZF and the VT80. I also played with the VT70, but the differences between the VT70 and the VT80/ZF is just larger than the comparison between the VT80 and VT-ZF. The VT70 is a medium flex ultra thin racket and is more balanced for overall use, while the VT80 and VT-ZF are really built as offensive rackets.

    In my opinion, the VT80 was already a fantastic offensive racket, but the head heavyness made it a hard to handle racket. Nevertheless, using a 4U weight racket, made it more user friendly. I had great doubts introducing a more head heavy racket. The VT-ZF feels heavier then the VT80 when you have it in your hands. But during play, I did not feel it was harder to handle than the VT80. On the contrary, I found the VT-ZF faster in manoeuvrings and faster than the VT80 in defense. The feedback of a smash from the VT-ZF is just so nice. The harder you smash, the more you got the feeling it can do better. The feeling just does not come off from the VT80. There is enough written about the power of the VT-ZF, so I cannot add something new. I could get more power out of the VT-ZF than the VT-80. There were problems adjusting to the timing of the ARC-ZS, but because the frame of the VT-ZF is not as small as that from the ARC Z-Slash, adjusting to this frame was not a problem. I also find the VT-ZF more accurate than the VT80. Maybe due to the stiffer shaft. Everything was just right.

    To my conclusion, I find the VT-ZF better than the VT80 in many ways but the differences are a lot smaller than the gap between the VT70 and VT80. Th VT-ZF got more power, is faster and is easier to handle. I do not have a 3U-G4 spec, but I would have wondered if this is also better than the VT80 3U-G4. The VT80 in 3U-G4 was just to heavy to be fast in defensive doubles. In general, there are more powerfull rackets than the VT-ZF, but they require the right player to utilize the full potential of those rackets and therefore are dedicated to a smaller audience. This racket is the easiest head heavy racket to get power out of it today, and I'm not working or sponsored by Yonex...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonexFan View Post
    I had the change playing a lot with the VT-ZF and the VT80. I also played with the VT70, but the differences between the VT70 and the VT80/ZF is just larger than the comparison between the VT80 and VT-ZF. The VT70 is a medium flex ultra thin racket and is more balanced for overall use, while the VT80 and VT-ZF are really built as offensive rackets.

    In my opinion, the VT80 was already a fantastic offensive racket, but the head heavyness made it a hard to handle racket. Nevertheless, using a 4U weight racket, made it more user friendly. I had great doubts introducing a more head heavy racket. The VT-ZF feels heavier then the VT80 when you have it in your hands. But during play, I did not feel it was harder to handle than the VT80. On the contrary, I found the VT-ZF faster in manoeuvrings and faster than the VT80 in defense. The feedback of a smash from the VT-ZF is just so nice. The harder you smash, the more you got the feeling it can do better. The feeling just does not come off from the VT80. There is enough written about the power of the VT-ZF, so I cannot add something new. I could get more power out of the VT-ZF than the VT-80. There were problems adjusting to the timing of the ARC-ZS, but because the frame of the VT-ZF is not as small as that from the ARC Z-Slash, adjusting to this frame was not a problem. I also find the VT-ZF more accurate than the VT80. Maybe due to the stiffer shaft. Everything was just right.

    To my conclusion, I find the VT-ZF better than the VT80 in many ways but the differences are a lot smaller than the gap between the VT70 and VT80. Th VT-ZF got more power, is faster and is easier to handle. I do not have a 3U-G4 spec, but I would have wondered if this is also better than the VT80 3U-G4. The VT80 in 3U-G4 was just to heavy to be fast in defensive doubles. In general, there are more powerfull rackets than the VT-ZF, but they require the right player to utilize the full potential of those rackets and therefore are dedicated to a smaller audience. This racket is the easiest head heavy racket to get power out of it today, and I'm not working or sponsored by Yonex...
    Thanks for your review, CarbonexFan. You have written a lot of wonderful review on rackets. Thank you once again.

    By the way, are you comparing 3U VT80 with 4U VTZF ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonexFan View Post
    I had the change playing a lot with the VT-ZF and the VT80. I also played with the VT70, but the differences between the VT70 and the VT80/ZF is just larger than the comparison between the VT80 and VT-ZF. The VT70 is a medium flex ultra thin racket and is more balanced for overall use, while the VT80 and VT-ZF are really built as offensive rackets.

    In my opinion, the VT80 was already a fantastic offensive racket, but the head heavyness made it a hard to handle racket. Nevertheless, using a 4U weight racket, made it more user friendly. I had great doubts introducing a more head heavy racket. The VT-ZF feels heavier then the VT80 when you have it in your hands. But during play, I did not feel it was harder to handle than the VT80. On the contrary, I found the VT-ZF faster in manoeuvrings and faster than the VT80 in defense. The feedback of a smash from the VT-ZF is just so nice. The harder you smash, the more you got the feeling it can do better. The feeling just does not come off from the VT80. There is enough written about the power of the VT-ZF, so I cannot add something new. I could get more power out of the VT-ZF than the VT-80. There were problems adjusting to the timing of the ARC-ZS, but because the frame of the VT-ZF is not as small as that from the ARC Z-Slash, adjusting to this frame was not a problem. I also find the VT-ZF more accurate than the VT80. Maybe due to the stiffer shaft. Everything was just right.

    To my conclusion, I find the VT-ZF better than the VT80 in many ways but the differences are a lot smaller than the gap between the VT70 and VT80. Th VT-ZF got more power, is faster and is easier to handle. I do not have a 3U-G4 spec, but I would have wondered if this is also better than the VT80 3U-G4. The VT80 in 3U-G4 was just to heavy to be fast in defensive doubles. In general, there are more powerfull rackets than the VT-ZF, but they require the right player to utilize the full potential of those rackets and therefore are dedicated to a smaller audience. This racket is the easiest head heavy racket to get power out of it today, and I'm not working or sponsored by Yonex...
    Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the VT-ZF as well. I have VT80 as well and both are 3UG5 at 86grams (dry weight). The VT-ZF does everything better than the VT80 at the price of a smaller sweet spot.

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    I now have Z Force and will be testing it tomorrow if my back injury allows me to play. Can't wait.

    If I get the chance I think I will make a video of a direct comparison with VT80 - if I get the time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulstewart64 View Post
    I now have Z Force and will be testing it tomorrow if my back injury allows me to play. Can't wait.

    If I get the chance I think I will make a video of a direct comparison with VT80 - if I get the time!

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    I like the sound of that.

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    Please start writing! I heard you've tested over 20 rackets but you haven't update your website since Feb Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licin View Post
    Thanks for your review, CarbonexFan. You have written a lot of wonderful review on rackets. Thank you once again.

    By the way, are you comparing 3U VT80 with 4U VTZF ?
    I have both 3U and 4U but I compared the 4U versions because the VT-ZF are only available in 3U-G3 and 4U-G4 here in The Netherlands and G4 is a core requirement to myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonexFan View Post
    I have both 3U and 4U but I compared the 4U versions because the VT-ZF are only available in 3U-G3 and 4U-G4 here in The Netherlands and G4 is a core requirement to myself.
    Thanks for the clarification... I am also planning to buy 4U VTZF as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulstewart64 View Post
    I now have Z Force and will be testing it tomorrow if my back injury allows me to play. Can't wait.

    If I get the chance I think I will make a video of a direct comparison with VT80 - if I get the time!

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    Hi Paul,
    I enjoy reading your articles and reviews in your website. It's all highly informative and an excellent read.

    If I may suggest, could you also review lower end (enty level) racquets like what you have done for the Voltric 5 & 7?

    Thanks for your efforts!

    Cheers,

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    Thanks guys for your support.

    I have been so busy at work I have had so little time to update my website except for my comments on the forum which I still manage to write almost on a daily basis.

    Sadly, last night was not good. I sustained an injury last week in my back. I tried to test the Z Force but I couldn't even raise my head sufficiently to look up to see the shuttle. So apart from hitting a few clears, defence and net work I had to give up.

    I have partially written my review but cannot finish it from my perspective as I could not perform sufficient overhead shots. However they players I was with had a go and they were thundering smashes to the floor. Mark, who normally uses an 8DX is already a hard hitter but boy did he hit some smashes last night! He commented that you can really feel the power of the racquet. Matt also hits very hard and he got the same results. Sadly I couldn't get the shuttle over the net much because of my injury.

    So, I'm nearly there but will need to delay my review until after Monday night when I next get on court. Hopefully I will be better shape then and can test again.

    What i can say is that i loved the racquet for defence. Whilst it is heavier in the head, the stiffness and weight allowed me get more punch into my returns when driving or lifting ths shuttle. At the net I felt it was easier for me because the weight provided a more solid foundation from which play the shot.

    Guys I'll do my best to complete this review Monday night if my injury allows. If not I'll post a few other reviews from racquets I've tested, starting with APACS - can I say that here?

    Thanks again for your support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licin View Post
    SAMPOERNA is a famous cigarette brand in Indonesia. Who knows, clawhammers might be one of the descendants

    Seems like i need to post a photo with DJARUM cigarette box
    Ironic promoting a healthy sport with an unhealthy habit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King's View Post
    Ironic promoting a healthy sport with an unhealthy habit?
    Want to give an example of an unhealthy sport, sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Want to give an example of an unhealthy sport, sport?
    Boxing, gymnastics,....

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    paul, looks like you've fallen to the curse of the VT-ZF too! haha, almost everyone i know injured themselves using it

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    Had my second session with the VT-ZF last night. Played 5 games of singles (21pt system) in 1 hour. Again the racket delivered as promised as I won the first 3 games. However, as my stanima started to drain and my shots were getting sloppy...I started to mishit a bit more (ie. hitting the frame, not enough push for a net drop, etc). As a result, I lost the last 2 games. Not a forgiving racket with a smaller frame.

    I still love it though. I noticed that I was winning drive rallies 75% of the time whereas before it was more like 50% with my VT80.

    Also noticed the dull feeling with the BG80P that everyone was talking about. I'll be trying Ashaway ZM67 next.

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