User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 17 of 18
  1. #1
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Outside the box
    Posts
    13,773
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default Team player: or not..perspectives

    After a long break, I have been roped into playing competitive matches recently.

    This thread really is not about me though.

    The other night we had a team practice - 6 players with 3 doubles pairings. we will play another team.

    I won't say the team is supercompetitive in standard - it encompasses a big variation in standard across the six players.

    I set up some team training just doing some routines and feeding. Most players are pretty good - do the routines and practice looking to improve.

    But there is always the odd one out. We are a pretty polite bunch of people it has to be said. But there is one guy who blows his trumpet a little more than others (more to his past[which cannot be validated] than his present) and very reluctant to do routines (always says 'play games').

    I did manage to get him on for a drill for doubles. Mainly mid court smashes, coming into the net and then doing drives. (he is showing a midline waistline). Hits a lot of shuttles at me. Tells me later "Do you know why I hit to you? It slows you down feeding"...hmm, what's the point of training then?

    Onto games then later in the session. I have to say the guy has good touch but certainly not the best and physically can do more. There were some stronger players on the night...the objective of the practice matches is to improve on the game. So we have about 2 very strong players trying to explain to this player what he can do to improve. He listens but either doesn't care, or too full of himself so he cannot change. It was a deliberate strategy by me to point out big areas where improvement can make a difference by stronger players but it didn't work.

    So we have players who is clearly better than the weaker players but clearly not as strong as the strongest players, out of condition (i.e. when the going gets tough, the mind goes weak), will argue that yin is yang and vice versa (well not that bad, doesn't play for his partner, cannot change the pace of the rally to create the advantage in the rally, and clearly is a personality who is very confident of himself to a point where it is difficult for him to improve.

    Perhaps I got it wrong - this person doesn't want to improve.

    It's not really a rant. Just a point for discussion. It seems a pity when courts are so hard to come by and there is the opportunity for drills and improvement, the opportunity cannot be taken..

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Markham
    Posts
    263
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    wow! sorry to hear that Cheung!

    He actually kept smashing at you and said that? what a BEEEEPPPP. I would have smashed him in the face if he ever did that to me lol What a jerk. -_- How'd you even deal with it so calmly lol I would have told him to get the hell out

    Butttt

    Besides that, I can see why he doesn't want to drill. I honestly HATE drilling. I avoid it so often that it really annoys me too! I am not denying that doing drills is a bad thing or anything, but for me, I really hate doing group drills. I hate doing something that I know I can already do basically and I rather do something that I know that I need to work on. Example, I wouldn't be really motivated if I had to do drives as I know I could be using this time to do footwork or work on obtaining a consistent backhand.

    In my own experience, I do prefer to play games because it helps me more then drills imho. When I play games it gives me more experience, it gives me that feel and motivate to improve on my mistakes. Example, when I hit a bad shot on a consistent basis and I get punished for it like doing a backhand drop all the time when I am force to use my backhand. Then I'd get a buddy to hit to my backhand and I'd try to clear and smash etc. Playing games for me just builds up all the experience I have and its really helped my court vision and spotting holes in people's games. And I do have proof of this. I had vids posted up here from one year ago and you can see my drastic improvements if I posted a recent vids.

    I am not saying doing drills aren't useful, but I believe if you have done enough skill to hit all the basic shots, I think its better if you just seek private training or just do some freestyle drills on something you prefer to do. I think this is the better way to improve a lot. I mean if you are aware of it, you'll be more focused to improve it.

    I have seen many people do drills everyday of their life, yet on the court, they don't do ****.They make the same basic mistakes that they always do and doing "drills" was suppose to fix it. I think more on the basis that if you can do all the stuff consistently, go out and play games. You'll learn much faster then to keep doing mindless drills.

    Back on topic, I can see where this guy is coming from, but I just thinks he needs an attitude change lol I mean if he won't listen to stronger players showing him what his doing wrong, then I think there is nothing you can do about it lol it's his attitude and motivation, strive to getting better, is just not present and I guess he just won't improve haha.

    Just my own opinion and sorry for any errors

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Burnaby, BC, Canada
    Posts
    3,511
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I love doing drills and practice strokes, they really condition my muscles to perform better. Games (practice or competitive) are great for working out the kinks in doubles partnership but by themselves will not improve player's standard unless he plays with stronger players.

    My weekly routine includes one group lesson (Tuesdays), one private lesson(Saturdays), gym time (Saturdays) and two drop-ins (Wednesdays and Saturdays). I find that the drills and instructions from my coaches makes all my games even better (strong smash, longer rallies and more creative shots).

    I find players like the guy Cheung's talking about have no idea how to play properly and oblivious to what's happening on court. Given time, they will be ostracized by others. I think Cheung should keep him out of the practice, soon he'll find out the hard way when he's starting to lose all his games. Since courts are so hard to come by, Cheung should find someone who's more willing to do drills to join the team rather than waste precious resources cultivating someone who doesn't want to learn.
    Last edited by cappy75; 01-29-2012 at 05:53 AM.

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    2,950
    Mentioned
    13 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    The "difficult personality" is a type that is everywhere in life. We can't avoid them. And, in fact, their stubborn self-confidence is often how they acheived whatever successes they enjoy. But they are difficult to manage in a team setting. They are quick to see faults in others, but blind to their own. Their skins are alligator-thick to criticism -- constructive or otherwise. And the only good ideas they've ever heard are their own.

    There are, no doubt, seminars for businesesmen on how to handle this personality type. But unless you are good at psychology and have infinite patience, it is highly unlikely that you are going to change this guy's attitude. Therefore either take him as he is and don't give yourself a migraine trying to improve him OR cut him loose and gird your loins for the "you're cutting ME!" speech.
    Last edited by Fidget; 01-29-2012 at 07:12 AM.

  5. #5
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Outside the box
    Posts
    13,773
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JukUx View Post
    wow! sorry to hear that Cheung!

    He actually kept smashing at you and said that? what a BEEEEPPPP. I would have smashed him in the face if he ever did that to me lol What a jerk. -_- How'd you even deal with it so calmly lol I would have told him to get the hell out

    Butttt

    Besides that, I can see why he doesn't want to drill. I honestly HATE drilling. I avoid it so often that it really annoys me too! I am not denying that doing drills is a bad thing or anything, but for me, I really hate doing group drills. I hate doing something that I know I can already do basically and I rather do something that I know that I need to work on. Example, I wouldn't be really motivated if I had to do drives as I know I could be using this time to do footwork or work on obtaining a consistent backhand.

    In my own experience, I do prefer to play games because it helps me more then drills imho. When I play games it gives me more experience, it gives me that feel and motivate to improve on my mistakes. Example, when I hit a bad shot on a consistent basis and I get punished for it like doing a backhand drop all the time when I am force to use my backhand. Then I'd get a buddy to hit to my backhand and I'd try to clear and smash etc. Playing games for me just builds up all the experience I have and its really helped my court vision and spotting holes in people's games. And I do have proof of this. I had vids posted up here from one year ago and you can see my drastic improvements if I posted a recent vids.

    I am not saying doing drills aren't useful, but I believe if you have done enough skill to hit all the basic shots, I think its better if you just seek private training or just do some freestyle drills on something you prefer to do. I think this is the better way to improve a lot. I mean if you are aware of it, you'll be more focused to improve it.

    I have seen many people do drills everyday of their life, yet on the court, they don't do ****.They make the same basic mistakes that they always do and doing "drills" was suppose to fix it. I think more on the basis that if you can do all the stuff consistently, go out and play games. You'll learn much faster then to keep doing mindless drills.

    Back on topic, I can see where this guy is coming from, but I just thinks he needs an attitude change lol I mean if he won't listen to stronger players showing him what his doing wrong, then I think there is nothing you can do about it lol it's his attitude and motivation, strive to getting better, is just not present and I guess he just won't improve haha.

    Just my own opinion and sorry for any errors
    This guy plays match play all the time so does he improve by just playing games? I don't think so. Basically, we are in a one-to-one position - I am the coach doing the feeding. And I have been through coaching courses myself

    I think Toby Ng (Canadian National Player) alluded to the situation in his thread. Practice makes perfect - how do you if your shot is perfect? OK, so it may be perfect against a few types of opponent - is it effective against the majority of opponents? Is it as effective when you get to a higher level of play? Is it as consistent and perfect when the going gets tough when you are tired or under pressure?

    Are drills less important for some people? I'm not sure. I've seen koreans and chinese etc international players on practice courts and they still play out drills. I saw Kim Dong Moon putting some of the Canadian players through drills during the HK Open. I would say the Canadians, although not the strongest players in the world, are still pretty sound in their technique and shot play!

  6. #6
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Outside the box
    Posts
    13,773
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Thanks Cappy and Fidget. You are right. I will move on. There are other people who can make better use of the time and have the right motivation. Of course I don't want to impose myself on anybody and create any tensions.

    Perhaps, all I can say to him is "Why are you losing?" Anything else gets a counterargument excuse of "but...".....I can add them to the 101+ excuses in badminton...

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    malaysia
    Posts
    22,181
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    well
    honestly
    there is some people who dont like training
    like me
    i never train myself
    whenever on court,i just play matches
    hehe
    i play for fun and joy,not for improvement though
    not sure about this guy

  8. #8
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Outside the box
    Posts
    13,773
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    But the difference is that this guy has to play for improvement as he is playing a match....

  9. #9
    Regular Member johnv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Hong Kong
    Posts
    54
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Sign up some reserves for the team and do some selection trials, a bit of internal competition may provide the incentive to improve.

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    malaysia
    Posts
    22,181
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    But the difference is that this guy has to play for improvement as he is playing a match....
    then need to do like what johnv said in post 9
    hehe
    all the best for u!

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Malaysia
    Posts
    734
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    There is certain type of player that thinks when its near to a competitive match be it a friendly or tournament, it's just a waste of time and effort to train and just by playing is a more "preferable" approach for self improvement. Be it because he think he is better than the rest or the method of training conducted by his team mate is not the right way or its just because he's born with an irritating, non-cooperative team work spirit or all of the above, it is just better to replace him with other cooperative player that can create a more high moral, team work spirit.

    Some player will think that practicing badminton regularly will not necessarily make you perfect since its all about how you play that will eventually determine how good you are hence looking into doing drills will be his less priority. But i assure you that practicing regularly is not just about being perfect in terms of technique in all aspect of your game play but its also about how a player can perfectly maintain his consistency and how perfectly a player can adapt to his opponent style of play and turn that into his advantage.

    If its seems not polite to get rid of him, such player is better pair with a weaker partner and let him realize how high heaven and earth the importance of training once he lost badly in his match.

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    2,067
    Mentioned
    28 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by shooting stroke View Post
    If its seems not polite to get rid of him, such player is better pair with a weaker partner and let him realize how high heaven and earth the importance of training once he lost badly in his match.
    I doubt he would do anything but blame his partner first, then blame the captain for putting him with such a weak player...

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Yuen long, Hong Kong
    Posts
    210
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    pick me instead cheung?!!

  14. #14
    Administrator kwun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Santa Clara, California, United States
    Posts
    36,001
    Mentioned
    55 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    just imagine the dilemma you will face if he is a really strong player!

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    2,950
    Mentioned
    13 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    just imagine the dilemma you will face if he is a really strong player!
    Yes, Cheung will have to make sure he doesn't do a press conference like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB5-yJM3vJc
    It could come back and bite him like it did to that coach when the 'unworkable' player became an MVP.

  16. #16
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Outside the box
    Posts
    13,773
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by amleto View Post
    I doubt he would do anything but blame his partner first, then blame the captain for putting him with such a weak player...
    Yes. That is exactly what would happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by yippo888
    pick me instead cheung?!!
    haha, I don't pick people. It's only a moan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fidget
    Yes, Cheung will have to make sure he doesn't do a press conference like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB5-yJM3vJc
    It could come back and bite him like it did to that coach when the 'unworkable' player became an MVP.
    Hardly likely my dear Fidget.

  17. #17
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Burnaby, BC, Canada
    Posts
    3,511
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Only when you're perfect in your execution that you can truly be creative in your game. Practice makes perfect. For those who hate drills and practice, you're missing out on how exciting badminton can be. I have been playing the game for more than a decade. I started from casual drop-ins to regular plays to routine training with regular plays, and I can tell you from experience that the game becomes so much more enjoyable with faster pace and less unforced errors. More practice means less unforced errors, less unforced errors means longer rallies and less time wasted picking up shuttles.
    Last edited by cappy75; 01-30-2012 at 06:43 PM.

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Advanced player looking for a team!
    By martin_romer in forum Singapore
    Replies: 3
    : 05-01-2009, 11:34 PM
  2. French player Looking for a team for 1 year
    By lemagicienduc in forum USA West
    Replies: 0
    : 02-26-2008, 05:23 AM
  3. west team player
    By frayela in forum Singapore
    Replies: 0
    : 10-08-2007, 07:43 AM
  4. Replies: 1
    : 03-20-2006, 09:19 PM
  5. *Urgent* Team looking for player
    By BostonU in forum USA East
    Replies: 8
    : 02-20-2006, 07:45 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •