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    is the 9000 box frame like armortec/superwaves or slim like ti-10?

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    How do you find it compared to your MX70?
    I never really came to terms with my MX70 maybe because of the head heavy balance.
    My MX70 wet weight was: 97g / 296mm, but my 95g / 290mm PRO 9000 generates much more power for me even though it's way less head heavy. With my MX70 I had no feeling and my shot was all over the place, while with the PRO 9000 I feel I can put the shuttle whereever I want to whenever.
    Even in defense the PRO 9000 feels better for me, but that is probably because of the 2g and 6mm difference.

    Regarding durability the jury is still out since I've only played with it for around 10 hours, but it has survived a couple for clashes with a double partner and a couple of clashes with the ground when diving for shuttles, without a chip in the paint so I'm hopeful.

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    9000 similar to that of YONEX AT900
    6000 similar to that of VICTOR BS09

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanucksDynasty View Post
    it needs better color scheme and graphics. Yes...I'm shallow.
    agree, it needs better colors Eric!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindfury View Post
    agree, it needs better colors Eric!
    Not sure if you are joking, but there is no "better" colour, only colour that you like better. To be more helpful, you should probably point out which part of the pattern you find unattractive and suggest an improvement. For me, I find the colour patter to be good, but the edges of the stickers need to be sharper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulless View Post
    Not sure if you are joking, but there is no "better" colour, only colour that you like better. To be more helpful, you should probably point out which part of the pattern you find unattractive and suggest an improvement. For me, I find the colour patter to be good, but the edges of the stickers need to be sharper.
    Oh, au contraire, sir. I think the appreciation of colors need not to be so subjective. Generally speaking, Red and Black are safer colors in the market because they represent aggression; something you would want as a weapon in your hand. Similarly, colors such as Silver and Gold represent shiny weaponry such as swords and axes that certain has a special place in consumers' minds. These types of generalization are even more prominent in gender specific scenarios; how many Pink rackets have been marketed specific to female consumers? One will be ignorant to deny the existence of a discernable pattern when it comes to rackets, let alone other things we encounter daily such as Cars, Glasses, Dresses, or whatever you can think of really. On the other hand, colors like Teal, Birch, Brown, Green, Purple, can you really say it's subject? Sure you can. But it only takes 1 person to say Green looks better while the other 80% of the population will probably concur Black as a better color. Sometimes, you don't have to be too afraid to generalize

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    Fair enough, if you are referring to a Western culture. One needs not to go far to find diametrically opposed uses of red and white. In China, red is good luck and white is death, in the "West", white is purity and red is blood and aggression. We haven't even talked about India yet, in Hindu cultures, black is humility and strength and red is vengefulness. We haven't even discussed time yet, it is a fact that fashion styles come back in 20-30 years, so who is to say the dull patterns of today will not be a leading trend in the future? The only constant appears to be that people tend to favour symmetry and order (in general). Personally, I find the gold and silver (flashy weapons in your words) rackets fairly arrogant and slightly offensive because it causes temporary blindness when stared at. My point is, depending on where RKEP is trying to market is products, it probably should consider local tastes in colour and patterns. One size does not fit all and black is not for everyone.

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    It's not a Colour issue, it's a design issue. I should probably shut up because I've offering to design Eric his rackets but have never followed through, but clearly he's got a great eye for specifications and being able to sell examples at specific weights/BP is a good move. The problem is that the specs are his own, but the designs are Victor/Forza 'homages'. I don't subscribe to the APACS school of design ripoffs to build volume and then release 'proper' rackets.

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    cmon guys! its just a sub $100 racket that plays like it costs double that retail

    you guys make it sound like you're choosing a wife or a car or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    cmon guys! its just a sub $100 racket that plays like it costs double that retail

    you guys make it sound like you're choosing a wife or a car or something...
    I don't choose my wife this way, that will make me a racist . By Maklike Tier is right, if RKEP want to compete with the "big boys" and get better margins, it must lead, not follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    cmon guys! its just a sub $100 racket that plays like it costs double that retail

    you guys make it sound like you're choosing a wife or a car or something...
    Good looks cost no more than average ones.

    Well, not enough to blow out production costs. Would you pay an extra 2-5 bucks for nicer graphics?

    Of course you would.

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    Here is a Bit of the review that I have used that racket in 5 sessions of Social play. (easy 12 hours of use off and on)

    28 pound line / Yonex BG 66 UM

    Head is not heavy enough to drive the shuttle and smashing is not enough power..

    Shaft is very stiff.. More stiff then my VT80 and VT Z force.

    I feel my old armotec 700 drives the shuttle better then the 9000.

    I feel the 9000 is good for tap and net control, not a smashing racket..

    It has a bit of better net control like the RSL X5 Gold

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    Quote Originally Posted by ..JT.. View Post
    Shaft is very stiff.. More stiff then my VT80 and VT Z force.
    This is surprising. Feeling the stiffness of my current PRO 9000 there is no way in hell it's stiffer than a VT Z or even a VT80.
    I wonder if the might be a big discrepancy in stiffness from batch to batch.
    I'm looking forward to getting my 2nd batch og blue PRO 9000 and my 1st batch of green ones to see if this might be the case.

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    Perhaps Pro9000 is not as head heavy as the Voltrics. That is why there could be a perception that it is even more difficult to flex than the head heavy Voltrics. That may also explain the difficulty in wielding power in some styles of play.

    @JT
    Which batch of Pro9000s did you try on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by istringforyou View Post
    Perhaps Pro9000 is not as head heavy as the Voltrics. That is why there could be a perception that it is even more difficult to flex than the head heavy Voltrics. That may also explain the difficulty in wielding power in some styles of play.
    Ahh yes, didn't think about that. Sounds like a very possible scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ..JT.. View Post
    Here is a Bit of the review that I have used that racket in 5 sessions of Social play. (easy 12 hours of use off and on)

    28 pound line / Yonex BG 66 UM

    Head is not heavy enough to drive the shuttle and smashing is not enough power..

    Shaft is very stiff.. More stiff then my VT80 and VT Z force.

    I feel my old armotec 700 drives the shuttle better then the 9000.

    I feel the 9000 is good for tap and net control, not a smashing racket..

    It has a bit of better net control like the RSL X5 Gold
    What was the balance point and weight you asked for? Is your Armortec 700 3u or 4u? Are all your racket strung at the same tension?

    Sorry sound critical, but your use of "not enough power" is not very informative.

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    I got the Green colour ones 9000 which is in Jan 2012.. I asked for Head heavy..

    Both of my VT 80, VT Z force and RSL X5 are string with 28 pounds BG 66um and the Armotec 700 is 26 pounds.

    Maybe it is because the head heavy of the VT's makes the VT's to flex more then then 9000s.

    And I realise the VT's have thinner shafts then the 9000s pro and could that be a reason?

    All my rackets are 3u.

    Anyway, I am in Australia and whoever wants the 9000s i am happy to sell it cheap, looks like brand new racket, never use much.. always sits in my bag..

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