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    Thanks, there goes the myth

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    My opinion is that, it's not so much that the XP80 needs to be "broken in". It is a FAST racket and timing is considerably different from other rackets that we may have used. I have problems timing my shots during the initial stages too.

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    @j4ackie
    Usually I play a Victor BS09 and I also own a Victror Slim HG70.
    For my personell play style the light weight is okay, but I think I need a little bit more stiffness to generate drive speed.
    But overall the XP80 is a really nice racket with a good price-performance-ratio...

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    Ordered over the weekend, waiting for XP70 to arrive at my doorstep.....keen to know how good it is versus my go-to racquet PRO9000!

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    Eric,

    I think I will echo what others have said so far.

    I think the XP-70 is a great racket and I'm more than happy with it, however some minor changes that I hope you can take into consideration is this:

    Slightly more overall weight, I think another 3-4g will really benefit this racket. I don't personally see it losing any handling ability, but it will add power (not that it lacks)

    I think the balance point and stringing pattern is fine. I think my only "complaint" is weight...

    So for the next batch, more head weight and a new paint scheme for the rackets, but please no blue

    Regards

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    3-4g will always have a HUGE impact on maneuvrability. Making those weights available would be nice for the heavy preference players, but 3-4g aren't "a little" more weight in badminton It's actually a whole other racket with that much weight added (try adding 2g lead tape on the head....).

    I'll have another long session with mine on Monday to finish my review. With matches coming up this weekend I'll need to use my go-to in training tomorrow, and since I have tournaments the next 2 weekends after that I'll only be able to use it in the Monday/Tuesday sessions anyway.
    To get a final opinion one 86g model would be nice, but sadly not something I can afford. If I can tape some of the training with it, I'll post the link here (plan on doing that next Monday, let's see if I manage to organise it though ).

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    Really what I think the target weight should be 87g (give or take 1.5g) obviously that's quite specific and won't always happen, but it's what I feel is the ideal weight for this frame.

    In my own opinion of course

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    Whole heartedly agree. 87g +/-1.5 with bp 295mm would be very nice. However gotta be careful not too much more head wt than than as that will make the shaft behave much more flexier than it's intended or designed for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LD rules! View Post
    Really what I think the target weight should be 87g (give or take 1.5g) obviously that's quite specific and won't always happen, but it's what I feel is the ideal weight for this frame.

    In my own opinion of course
    Ah. In that case, nvm. With the frames I have I came to the conclusion 86g would be ideal, which isn't too far from your preference....and in the end, personal preference is just that. Personal. Although in my opinion there are limits, i.e. an aerodynamic frame should not be heavier than 88g as the aerodynamic feature loses it's advantage at higher weights (swing is so slow that the reduced air resistance is not a big boost anymore) and the stability and power of a boxier frame are more beneficial from a certain point on. Regrettably, my heavier Bs09 is over the edge and just too heavy to be really playable for me :/

    Anyhow, 87g is still a reasonable weight for this racket in my eyes, even though it would probably not be my personal favorite, 86 or 86.5 at the most would probably be great for me. Really plan on taping some smashes and maybe a doubles game on Monday, I rather curious if the difference between this and my go-tos is visible on video or not...

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    My review of the XP-60 after 3.5 hours of play

    To start off: I play both singles and doubles and like to smash a lot but is weak on defence. I have been using the Pro9000 for doubles about one year. I get the sense that some of the reviewers have others as go-to's but mine is the Pro9000. For singles I use a 3u MX70.

    The XP60 is a 295mm and 85 grams, same specs as my Pro9000s. However the XP60 is strung with VS850 rather than my usual BG70 at 25lbs. The grip on the XP is the new G16 ribbed grip from RKEP, while I have the G08 soft grip on the pro9000. The XP60 is also a little stiffer than the pro9000. Given these additional differences the comparison is not too scientific, but the conclusion is clear, XP60 (potential the XP70) is a superior racket. Let me elaborate

    Speed: The shape of the racket is closer to the victor BS series rather than the MX series. Reading the existing reviews I knew the racket will be fast and I was not disappointed. When I do baseline clears and smashes with the pro9000 I always had to put a little extra wrist snap on it to get a nice crisp sound, this is not the case with the the XP series. The follow through motion on clears and smashes are very smooth and the power is the same. So I echo the previous reviewers saying that the racket is very 'solid' upon impact. To me this is the best feature of this racket, power without additional headweight.

    Defense: give the speed the defense on blocks really shines, I was able to get a lot of shuttles back, but to be honest, the pro9000 is an excellent defensive racket (especially at the 295 4u) so slightly better. What XP60 does better is on lifts near the net, I don't have to 'force it' as much and get very accurate placement as the result.

    Smashes: I feel the same power as my 3u MX70, but give the XP60 is a 4U it is definitely a pleasant surprise. The racket is not very head heavy but it is very fast so it turns from defense to offense real fast. It is not the heaviest smashing racket I have used but its performance is exceptional given the specs.

    Net shots: I had no trouble with control in this area, given it is the very first time I used it. I think it will only get better with time.

    Easy of use: No orientation time needed for me, picked up the racket at warm up and did not look back. I only used pro9000 a bit to do a comparison but this racket feels good from the very get go to the very end.

    Looks and durability: This is the only area which I can say anything negative. Given the shape, it will not be as durable as the pro9000. I had a small glancing clash today in doubles and the paint chipped in three spots. It is not as tough as my MX70, which may be due to the thickness of the clear lacquer. Not the best for sure. The racket looks more purplish than blue upon inspection and the design is 'modest' as it does not stand out, even compared to the pro9000. On the top it says Magic Power Frame, a bit tacky I think, but given the wonderful things Eric did with the performance maybe it is magic. So I think the paint and design can be improve upon, after a price hike of course .

    After using the XP-60, it is bitter sweet to me as I feel that it is a superior racket to the Pro9000 in most performance aspects, which means my 3 trusty pro9000s might start to collect dust. I will try the XP-70 next week, I imagine it would be a similar racket but easier on the shoulder because it is not as stiff.

    Congrats Eric on a wonderful racket at exceptional prices, but you may have cannibalized your other big hit, the Pro9000. Keep the engineers working!

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    Hi,
    I have this question maybe some of you can help me with this. I bought RKEP9000 (84g @ 295 mm). I feel the spec i picked is too light and when I hit the shuttle, the shaft couldnt flex enough to give power. When I do my next purchase, how much weight of racquet should i increase to get a usable flex?

    PS: I like the shaft stiffness because when I bend it with hand, it felt similar to my arc saber 10 PR.

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    if you can get athlete's tape or hockey tape, just use about 3-4 inches each at 10 and 2 o'clock positions to increase your head/swing weight noticeably enough to give more power and flex the shaft more

    for sure your next purchase should be the xp70 (slightly flexier than pro9000), probably 86-87g bp 295mm...

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    Thank you for your comment Visor.

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    I'm currently using Pro9000, after hearing all those good review on Xp70, I'm really tempted... However... Maybe I'm being picky... I'm a bit disappointed that it's not woven...

    I dont know why, but this really happened to me. For the past few weeks, I've been trying to get back to my VT70, just felt it's a bit wasted as it's under utilized... But the feeling is different, way different. It's not just about the timing hitting the shuttle or the accuracy, but it's the hitting feel. I never knew woven would provide such solid feel. I end up getting a Zelm Ultimate 700, a woven racket as well. After a session with it, I've confirmed myself that it's the solidness of woven racket that keeps me from going back to my VT70... VT70 just felt... Not so solid anymore =.=

    Still hesitating... whether to get the new Xp70, despite all the good review here T.T

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    Dexter,
    why not try 300mm BP if they still have it.
    you can also remove the original grip to increase the head-heavyness.

    Quote Originally Posted by dexter980 View Post
    Hi,
    I have this question maybe some of you can help me with this. I bought RKEP9000 (84g @ 295 mm). I feel the spec i picked is too light and when I hit the shuttle, the shaft couldnt flex enough to give power. When I do my next purchase, how much weight of racquet should i increase to get a usable flex?

    PS: I like the shaft stiffness because when I bend it with hand, it felt similar to my arc saber 10 PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betazone View Post
    Dexter,
    why not try 300mm BP if they still have it.
    you can also remove the original grip to increase the head-heavyness.
    Removing the grip will not alter the playing characteristics. Removing some weight at the bottom will not increase the weight (and thus the momentum) of the head - you need to add weight to do that. Same applies for adding weight to the bottom, it will NOT make the racket faster just because the BP is a bit lower. That particular can of worms has been opened several times in multiple threads already though so I won't explain it once more here

    Regarding the athletic tape on the head to increase head heaviness: like so.




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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    Removing the grip will not alter the playing characteristics. Removing some weight at the bottom will not increase the weight (and thus the momentum) of the head - you need to add weight to do that. Same applies for adding weight to the bottom, it will NOT make the racket faster just because the BP is a bit lower. That particular can of worms has been opened several times in multiple threads already though so I won't explain it once more here

    Regarding the athletic tape on the head to increase head heaviness: like so.



    You covered up the MPF on your XP70, now the magic is gone

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