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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Maybe you re right. Every team didn't t know this tournament is a 2 in 1 except China and BWF. How come only CHN understand it? Maybe they suggested it to BWF? This reminded me of Singapore politics. When the ruling party sensed that the Opposition were making inroads, they changed the rules of the game. Instead of single seats, group representation became the norm, requiring each party to field group representatives which hindered the Opposition from contesting effectively in too many seats. Who knows they may have borrowed this idea? If CJ cannot be assured of winning the maximum points in the individual BAC, why not guarantee it by lumping the ranking points into the team tournament TC?

    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    There is no indication whatsoever, even in the Badminton Asia or BWF website that the Asian qualification tourney is the Asian Team Championships. Unlike the European Team Championships, which has been the case for the Europeans for many many years.

    If the Asian tourney is so-called Asian Team Championships, why the Korean girls decide not to join anyway?

    The whole thing is simply a ploy by China to lend more credence to their participation in the Asian qualification tourney.
    BAC Website is here, BAC did declare clearly that the TUC Asian Preliminary Round 2012 is also the Asian Team Chamionships 2012:

    http://www.badmintonasia.org/event_d...px?eventID=260

    Open DOC or XLS, you can see some words such as Asian Team Championships, very clear. Everyone can find it just carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxytdn View Post
    BAC Website is here, BAC did declare clearly that the TUC Asian Preliminary Round 2012 is also the Asian Team Chamionships 2012:http://www.badmintonasia.org/event_d...px?eventID=260Open DOC or XLS, you can see some words such as Asian Team Championships, very clear. Everyone can find it just carefully.
    BAC was clearly out to mislead its members, for reasons best known to them. If BAC make such a major change as to have a 2 in 1, it should have been declared clearly and openly on the opening page, not hidden somewhere by opening DOC or XLS(sorry I still couldn't find that page). Read the opening page, inviting its members to TUC Qualifying and it sounds like nothing has changed. Look at Past Results and it shows TUC Qualifying and BAC as separate tournaments. No wonder PJB couldn t understand why TUC Qualifying carry ranking points. ( for the first time?) This is deception of the highest order. Why would BAC cheat its members of the truth about a major shift in combining two previous tournaments into one, is a real mystery. Why is that only China seemed to know it s a 2 in 1, is also a real mystery. Do the rest of BAC members now realise there s not gonna be a BAC individual championship later this year? Money must have been moved around for the extra special deception by BAC.

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    A few things to be clarified here:
    1. The TUC Qualifying tourneys HAVE ALWAYS BEEN points-rewarding (even in Olympics years of 2004, 2008).

    2. BUT, it HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNATED as Asian Team Championships for as long as I could remember! For reasons that probably only China (and some of its fans like cxtdyn) knows, it becomes the Asian Team Championships THIS YEAR (even without the participation of Team Korea in the Uber Cup Qualifying)!

    3. This was taken from the BAC website itself...again...it's NOT WRITTEN THERE that this Qualifying campaign is the Asian Team Championships:
    http://www.badmintonasia.org/newspage.aspx?newsID=548

    A surprise entry to the Thomas Cup draw is China. As host and defending Champion, the Chinese receive automatic admission to the Finals but also enjoy the option to participate in the qualifying rounds if they so wish. A reason why they have decided to be in Macau could be to have the players pick up valuable ranking points.

    South Korea on the other hand, as defending champions of the Uber Cup has decided to stay home and prepare for the big crunch, the Finals in May (20-27) in Wuhan, China. The top two nations from each of the four groups in will progress to the second round.

    Or...if u refer to the OFFICIAL WEBSITE of the Asian Qualifying Tourney 2012:
    http://www.thomasuberasia2012.com/?mod=news&lang=en

    I cannot find any indication whatsoever that this is the Asian Team Championships.

    The big banner in the website as well as the Official Presentation Ceremony of the Uber Cup Qualifying Final yesterday only showed these words: "MACAU 2012 THOMAS & UBER CUPS PRELIMINARIES ROUND ASIAN ZONE".

    Let's compare this to the European qualifying campaign, where in the official website http://www.eurobadmintonamsterdam.nl/
    2012 European Men & Women Team Championships is stated explicitly!

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    Maybe someone can post to the media and also ask the koreans if they knew of this.

    Inquiry needs to be made?

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    Question Is this the 2012 Asian Team Championships or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by cxytdn View Post
    BAC Website is here, BAC did declare clearly that the TUC Asian Preliminary Round 2012 is also the Asian Team Chamionships 2012:

    http://www.badmintonasia.org/event_d...px?eventID=260

    Open DOC or XLS, you can see some words such as Asian Team Championships, very clear. Everyone can find it just carefully.
    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    A few things to be clarified here:
    1. The TUC Qualifying tourneys HAVE ALWAYS BEEN points-rewarding (even in Olympics years of 2004, 2008).

    2. BUT, it HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNATED as Asian Team Championships for as long as I could remember! For reasons that probably only China (and some of its fans like cxtdyn) knows, it becomes the Asian Team Championships THIS YEAR (even without the participation of Team Korea in the Uber Cup Qualifying)!

    3. This was taken from the BAC website itself...again...it's NOT WRITTEN THERE that this Qualifying campaign is the Asian Team Championships:
    http://www.badmintonasia.org/newspage.aspx?newsID=548

    A surprise entry to the Thomas Cup draw is China. As host and defending Champion, the Chinese receive automatic admission to the Finals but also enjoy the option to participate in the qualifying rounds if they so wish. A reason why they have decided to be in Macau could be to have the players pick up valuable ranking points.

    South Korea on the other hand, as defending champions of the Uber Cup has decided to stay home and prepare for the big crunch, the Finals in May (20-27) in Wuhan, China. The top two nations from each of the four groups in will progress to the second round.

    Or...if u refer to the OFFICIAL WEBSITE of the Asian Qualifying Tourney 2012:
    http://www.thomasuberasia2012.com/?mod=news&lang=en

    I cannot find any indication whatsoever that this is the Asian Team Championships.

    The big banner in the website as well as the Official Presentation Ceremony of the Uber Cup Qualifying Final yesterday only showed these words: "MACAU 2012 THOMAS & UBER CUPS PRELIMINARIES ROUND ASIAN ZONE".

    Let's compare this to the European qualifying campaign, where in the official website http://www.eurobadmintonamsterdam.nl/
    2012 European Men & Women Team Championships is stated explicitly!
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    I agree with badMania that since it is not explicitly stated, this is not the 2012 Asian Team Championships.

    If it is, we would expect to read news articles and comments from players, coaches and national associations mentioning about it.

    From the BWF Calender,
    (link: http://www.bwfbadminton.org/tourname...calendarid=103 ),
    I can only read that there is the 2012 Badminton Asia Championships to be held in the Sichuan Province, China, 17-22 of April.
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    Last edited by chris-ccc; 02-19-2012 at 06:58 AM.

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    chris-ccc - the 2012 Badminton Asia Championships (to be held in Sichuan this year) is an INDIVIDUAL TOURNEY, not a team-event tourney. It has always been an annual event involving players from Asian countries.

    what cxytdn refer to is an Asian Team Championships. I remember that we used to have one...and according to wikipedia: The event had been played rotated between team and individual competitions before the team event nulled since 1994.

    When I read all the news from the BWF website updating the progress of the Thomas/Uber Cup qualifying, once again, there's no reference of the Asian qualification being the Asian Team Championships; whereas, the European qualification is clearly referred to as the European Men & Women's Team Championships.

    As pjswift wrote: the phrase "the Asian Team Championships 2012" was hidden and only present in some of the doc and xls files (Note: even the invitation letter to all BAC members did not have that particular phrase)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
    .I agree with badMania that since it is not explicitly stated, this is not the 2012 Asian Team Championships.If it is, we would expect to read news articles and comments from players, coaches and national associations mentioning about it.From the BWF Calender,(link: http://www.bwfbadminton.org/tourname...calendarid=103 ),I can only read that there is the 2012 Badminton Asia Championships to be held in the Sichuan Province, China, 17-22 of April. .
    It s good that Badmania confirmed that TUC Qualifying have always carried ranking points in the past. So why is PJB complaining? As for BAC being on the tournament calendar, we all know that what s scheduled can be cancelled at the last minute? What s not there can also be added at the last minute? Are we talking about BWF, the Badminton Wrecking Federation?

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    Yes, the TUC qualifying campaign has always been offering ranking pts. BUT, there's so far no winner or host of the TUC Finals who volunteer themselves to play in the Qualifying campaign; until China's decision to field a weakened team to both events this year. This decision must have surprised almost all countries!

    And the sole motive is simply to get more ranking pts for Chen Jin and Guo Zhendong/Chai Biao. While Chen Jin's spot is not confirmed yet, he inches closer to Peter Gade after this week.

    IF the BWF has a rule in their statutes that DOES NOT ALLOW holders or host nations to join the Qualifying campaign, then, it will be harder for Chen Jin to qualify! That's the thing Park Joo Bong was complaining about...that China will do anything (as long as it's within the bounds) to get as many of its players to the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Yes, the TUC qualifying campaign has always been offering ranking pts. BUT, there's so far no winner or host of the TUC Finals who volunteer themselves to play in the Qualifying campaign; until China's decision to field a weakened team to both events this year. This decision must have surprised almost all countries!And the sole motive is simply to get more ranking pts for Chen Jin and Guo Zhendong/Chai Biao. While Chen Jin's spot is not confirmed yet, he inches closer to Peter Gade after this week.IF the BWF has a rule in their statutes that DOES NOT ALLOW holders or host nations to join the Qualifying campaign, then, it will be harder for Chen Jin to qualify! That's the thing Park Joo Bong was complaining about...that China will do anything (as long as it's within the bounds) to get as many of its players to the Olympics.
    But CHN is not wrong in playing Qualifying for reasons we all know. So why is PJB complaining. Is it because this year s Qualifying ranking points is exceptionally generous compared to past years, that s why PJB s not happy?

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    If you read the original article, he's basically complaining about the generous pts offered for Qualifying. Chen Jin could have won 6876 pts (that's guaranteed) by simply just playing 1 match and lost it.

    Of course, the system is applied to all the players (including Japanese players)

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    This just tells you how professional BWF is. Sick.

    As pjswift wrote: the phrase "the Asian Team Championships 2012" was hidden and only present in some of the doc and xls files (Note: even the invitation letter to all BAC members did not have that particular phrase)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    If you read the original article, he's basically complaining about the generous pts offered for Qualifying. Chen Jin could have won 6876 pts (that's guaranteed) by simply just playing 1 match and lost it.Of course, the system is applied to all the players (including Japanese players)
    Would you , offhand, know what the ranking points were, in the past, before BWF made it generous to help desperate CJ ( indirectly and effectively LD) this year? (We know CHN don t have the confidence to win the MS gold without fielding maximum 3 MS ; one CHN MS to maximise energy loss from LCW would not be enough, CHN require another CHN MS to help minimise energy loss from LD so the net outcome would be LD would have energy advantage over LCW should they meet in final. But if MAS is smart enough to arrange for a pocket of crowd support like in KO12, LD would not have any energy advantage since it s not held in China.) In any case, PG would not have any ranking points from the Europe Qualifying since he did not even play a match. Does PG monitor his ranking points or he just gave up on BWF, I wonder?

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    if it is a asian team championship
    why china dont field jiang yan jiao in final?suffer another lost in final since 2010uc is not acceptable for such a majorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr championshipppppppppppppppppp!

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    Everyone will know what their ranking pts were and Park Joo Bong himself explained it clearly in his rants.
    "I don't understand why BWF is offering so many points for the Thomas Cup and Uber Cup qualifying rounds. It doesn't make sense for the China to play in the qualifying rounds after they have secured automatic berths for the two events as hosts," said Joo Bong.

    "The points offered are too high for a qualifying round and win or lose, a player or a doubles pair will earn 10 per cent of their total world ranking points."

    In fact, Peter Gade probably knew that the pts won from Sudirman Cup (7602.55) could be higher than that could be won from the European Championships this year (base pt is 7386.20). That's why he did not bother to play in the European Championships.

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    The system for Team Events benefit players with high points (like LCW). Even for LCW....he could just show up and lose every match and earns 9759.73 pts from this Thomas Cup Qualification. That itself is higher than and therefore, will definitely replace the pts earned from Sudirman Cup (9647.30).

    Everyone knows that this system has its flaws and there had been debates in many threads in the past about this issue. The problem is: BWF still retains this system for team events and has yet to do anything about it!
    Last edited by badMania; 02-19-2012 at 09:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    if it is a asian team championshipwhy china dont field jiang yan jiao in final?suffer another lost in final since 2010uc is not acceptable for such a majorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr championshipppppppppppppppppp!
    Maybe CHN is confident JPN won t be able to upset like KOR did. But they forgot Eriko has a good record against CHN WS though poor against non-CHN WS. In any case, WD2 and the mesmerising MM is totally new syllabus so there was no opportunity for rote training. Lack of consistency plus lack of rote training spell disaster for CHN. It s how CHN lost that s revealing. They lack mental strength and collapse in a mess when opponents adopt tactics and take initiative to dictate play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Everyone will know what their ranking pts were and Park Joo Bong himself explained it clearly in his rants."I don't understand why BWF is offering so many points for the Thomas Cup and Uber Cup qualifying rounds. It doesn't make sense for the China to play in the qualifying rounds after they have secured automatic berths for the two events as hosts," said Joo Bong. "The points offered are too high for a qualifying round and win or lose, a player or a doubles pair will earn 10 per cent of their total world ranking points."In fact, Peter Gade probably knew that the pts won from Sudirman Cup (7602.55) could be higher than that could be won from the European Championships this year (base pt is 7386.20). That's why he did not bother to play in the European Championships.
    You mean PG can still use his Sudirman Cup to add to his Olympics qualifying points. Wouldn't the SC points expire by then?

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