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    Lightbulb This rule is really stupid because it is not serious enough

    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    i heard there is a new rule.. You will get a yellow card for not shaking hands with your opponent at the end of the match.

    what kinda stupid rule is that? You can't force people to act politely..
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    Agree... I find that BWF to give out yellow card to player for not doing the handshake with opponent immediately after the match is really stupid, IMHO.

    If BWF is serious about this matter, the player should be banned for live.

    This is the only way to enforce the rule:

    Do it, or don't play Badminton at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Agree... I find that BWF to give out yellow card to player for not doing the handshake with opponent immediately after the match is really stupid, IMHO.

    If BWF is serious about this matter, the player should be banned for live.

    This is the only way to enforce the rule:

    Do it, or don't play Badminton at all.
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    I don't see anything wrong with thanking your own coach first before shaking hands with your opponents...

    If BWF is serious about enforcing politeness, they should punish people who do a LIN-dance (or taking off their shirts) immediately after victory instead of punishing people who thank their coaches before shaking hands with opponents...
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    Arrow For me, BWF are still not strict enough about what their protocol......

    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with thanking your own coach first before shaking hands with your opponents...

    If BWF is serious about enforcing politeness, they should punish people who do a LIN-dance (or taking off their shirts) immediately after victory instead of punishing people who thank their coaches before shaking hands with opponents...
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    I also see that players are thanking their coaches first before shaking hands with their opponents.

    But, in Badminton, our BWF (as our international governing body) must decide what protocol Badminton players should follow.

    Here, we are talking about how BWF wish to conduct our Badminton players' etiquette of diplomacy and affairs.

    In Soccer, players celebrate with their coaches, teammates (from the bench) and team supporters first, before they shake hands with their opponents.

    In Judo, participants don't even shake hands, they bow to their opponents.

    In Tennis, players thank their opponents first, then the umpire before they they thank their coaches and supporters.

    etc, etc, ......

    What I see is BWF is wishing to follow the same protocol as for Tennis.

    Firstly, we find that BWF will impose a fine $100 to players for celebrating with coaches and teammates first. It didn't work, did it?.

    Now, we find that BWF will give a yellow card to players for not shaking hands with their opponents first at the end of the match.

    All these fines and yellow cards are not a serious enough (for how BWF wish to conduct the protocol for Badminton players to follow).

    I am a coach. I don't mind players celebrating with me first before they shake hands with their opponents (even if I were to be paying the $100 fine for the players).

    Now, BWF is mentioning about issuing the yellow card.

    For me, BWF are still not strict enough about what protocol they wish for our players to follow.
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    ^^ so this yellow card at the end of the match, does it carry over to the next match?

    if not, then it's only a formality just for show...

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    Hmm, I don't think I have read anywhere stating that there is a yellow card to be given, only a fine. Will someone please point out where it says a yellow must be given?

    And cards do not carry over, but umpires must write a note and what not to the referee and after a few collection of yellow cards, there will be fines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CantSmashThis View Post
    Hmm, I don't think I have read anywhere stating that there is a yellow card to be given, only a fine. Will someone please point out where it says a yellow must be given?

    And cards do not carry over, but umpires must write a note and what not to the referee and after a few collection of yellow cards, there will be fines.
    most interesting reading!!!

    http://assets.teamusa.org/assets/doc...2011_DP_1_.pdf

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    Hmm, I don't see anywhere where it says a yellow must be given. But it would be reported for a $100 fine.

    Maybe unless its very excessive such as Chen Long running around the gym first, then I'll think about pulling that card.

    "However if a player consistently takes off his shirt to celebrate every time they win a match and after being told not to by the Referee then a Referee can take action under Players Code of Conduct 4.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct."

    I would imagine a player to take off their shirt only if they win the championship and usually not after every single match they won.

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    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh a 100$ fine and/or a yellow card would definitely keep me from jumping around, putting my shirt off and celebrating with my coach after having won the WC or olympics...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by |_Footwork_| View Post
    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh a 100$ fine and/or a yellow card would definitely keep me from jumping around, putting my shirt off and celebrating with my coach after having won the WC or olympics...!
    But it would stop me from celebrating after beating someone like Lee Hyun Il, Kenichi Tago in the first round of the all England, if I didn't think I'd get past the next round...

    Hang on, it only says celebrating with coaches, it doesn't say I can't drop to my knees, throw my top into the crowd and then shake hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LD rules! View Post
    it doesn't say I can't drop to my knees, throw my top into the crowd
    I wouldn't mind the dropping to the knees 1st, but the throwing the top into the crowd goes with "taking shirt off". And it says 'leaving the field of play to celebrate with their Coach or the crowd etc’.

    So I don't think you can toss your shirt into the crowd either.

    I wouldn't mind if they drop to the knees, toss their racket up, then go shake

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    Quote Originally Posted by CantSmashThis View Post
    Hmm, I don't see anywhere where it says a yellow must be given. But it would be reported for a $100 fine.

    Maybe unless its very excessive such as Chen Long running around the gym first, then I'll think about pulling that card.

    "However if a player consistently takes off his shirt to celebrate every time they win a match and after being told not to by the Referee then a Referee can take action under Players Code of Conduct 4.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct."

    I would imagine a player to take off their shirt only if they win the championship and usually not after every single match they won.
    Ok, I don't see yellow card must be given in that 23 Dec 2011 BWF document either. But my initial suggestion that a yellow card is to be given is based on an article by ttymq.com (in Chinese):

    http://www.ttymq.com/viewnews-21480.html

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    Question What protocol Badminton players should follow?

    Quote Originally Posted by LD rules! View Post
    But it would stop me from celebrating after beating someone like Lee Hyun Il, Kenichi Tago in the first round of the all England, if I didn't think I'd get past the next round...

    Hang on, it only says celebrating with coaches, it doesn't say I can't drop to my knees, throw my top into the crowd and then shake hands...
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    Or to say that "Please wait, I need to ring my mother first before I shake hands with my opponents".

    I think this thread is not talking about what protocol Badminton players should follow.

    In my post earlier, I mentioned about it;

    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
    But, in Badminton, our BWF (as our international governing body) must decide what protocol Badminton players should follow.

    Here, we are talking about how BWF wish to conduct our Badminton players' etiquette of diplomacy and affairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lcleing View Post
    No offence, but I think you grow up in a very different era where self-ego takes priority over everything else.
    While there is nothing wrong with celebrating passionately for your win, you could also be more considerate and tactful by doing so after shaking hand with your opponents.

    Gone were the days where courtesy and manners were the norm of the society. These days, our society are filled with people with the "I am the center of the world and could not care less about others" attitude. This trait is most commonly found among the youngsters who grow up in the period where the UK government has a very soft stand against the youth and minor's misbehaviours.

    While there are times where I would like to commend for the confidence displayed by those youths but sometimes I think these people went abit too much.
    Ha Ha ha. What are you on about? nonsense. With regards to the celebrations badminton is more competitive now with a lot more training and dedication, it is more of a professional sport than it ever was bigger prze money etc. So bearing this in mind, at the top of world badminton, when you dedicate(sacrifice) your life for these wins and you get one what do you do?????? you celebrate, it would be disingenuous not to.

    With regards to respecting your opponent - Nobody celebrates massively if they have expected to win hence celebrating is showing respect to your opponent,

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    I think they should change it to, some celebration is okay, but don't do it excessively as in run around the gym. You should be allowed to drop to the floor, take off your shirt, hug you coach then shake hands with your opponent.

    Celebrating with the crowd and everything can come afterwards.

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    JJS/LYD didn't get carded for this in AE Finals :P

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    LD and LCW took off their shirts after the match. Should they both be given yellow cards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    LD and LCW took off their shirts after the match. Should they both be given yellow cards?
    The rules doesn't say a yellow for taking off shirt. It just says that you should shake hands with your opponent's 1st. And they both agreed to exchange shirts, happens in lots of sports, nothing wrong with that!

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