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    Quote Originally Posted by CantSmashThis View Post
    JJS/LYD didn't get carded for this in AE Finals :P
    Yeah I saw this straight over to coach to celebrate after jjs finished celebrating lying down. so what's the deal then?, they must have realised it was a stupid idea and quietly stopped enforcing it. If it is enforced again I willnot be chuffed

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    I think that this rule is really stupid because why can't players absorb what they have won? even for a moment? But certainly they have to shake hands at the end, to show respect and sportsmanship to the other player.

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    One problem with enforcing this rule is that in especially high stakes games, there is much adrenaline flowing in all players and with such a deep contrast in raw and extreme emotions of high and low between the winners and losers at the end of an hour long battle, the players would probably appreciate a little bit of time before they are forced to come into close personal contact by shaking hands. I think as long as the winners don't gloat over their win and over celebrate it by dancing around the court while leaving the losers stranded at the net waiting to shake, it should be fine.

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    i mean this card must be bring forward to the next match.

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    I think players sholdnt be allowed to leave the court before shaking hands. But on court celebrations should be allowed

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    Quote Originally Posted by tranqq View Post
    I think players sholdnt be allowed to leave the court before shaking hands. But on court celebrations should be allowed
    probably the best solution then is for the coaches to come to the court immediately after match is over while the winners are still celebrating rolling on the ground... then the coaches can help them up, shake hands and they can walk over to the net to shake with the losers... all this while without ever leaving the court

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    Ha Ha ha. What are you on about? nonsense. With regards to the celebrations badminton is more competitive now with a lot more training and dedication, it is more of a professional sport than it ever was bigger prze money etc. So bearing this in mind, at the top of world badminton, when you dedicate(sacrifice) your life for these wins and you get one what do you do?????? you celebrate, it would be disingenuous not to.

    With regards to respecting your opponent - Nobody celebrates massively if they have expected to win hence celebrating is showing respect to your opponent,
    Wow, tell me more about it. So celebrating massively, doing a strip tease while ignoring the presence of your opponent is a way of respecting your opponent according to you. Wow, just wow.

    I think the newer generations is slowly forgetting about what it means to be a good chap- to be able to control one's emotion and being considerate.Looks like we believe in very different things. Let's just agree to disagree.

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    Not a good rule

    Players shouldn't be forced to shake hands, but shake hands because they sincerely want to and think it was a fair and great game. A enforced shake and a genuine shake might look the same, but completely different in meaning

    Otherwise, people would just think "they are only shaking hands, because they have to"

    It's crazy. And now the 'goodies' who actually sincerely shake their opponents hands... people would think they're only doing it, because of the rule

    And then, we will have a sport when people cannot tell whether they actually have good sportsmanship or not. Sportsmanship should not be determined by the handshake in itself...
    Players should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to shake hands or not and really depends on their discipline to do so... if they not disciplined, nothing can be done about it, they are how they are brought up and we have to accept that some people are different
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    Why is everyone saying they are being forced?

    Encouraged, sure, but it's not like they'll never let you back to the sport or beat you senseless if you don't shake hands? Just a little (for the pros anyway) fine and some yellow piece of paper no?

    I bet many will still ignore this in the heat of the moment.

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    I also think shaking hands should be genuine - and therefore not forced by any rule. If a player decides not to shake hands (or is celebrating for too long while the opponent is waiting for handshake at the net), I think his/her reputation will suffer from it. This can be some kind of punishment already. Unfortunately, those who don't show sportsmanship, they may also be the ones who don't care much about their image/reputation... But as long as spectators decide not to be a fan of a certain player because of lack of sportsmanship (no matter how skillful), it's better than nothing I guess. This just brought me to the idea of implementing spectators' ratings to the points players got in the world ranking. :-D Not being too serious here... :-)

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    Just got round to watching MS final at Singapore open and have the perfect example for all you "traditionalists".
    Ponsana took the title and directly after winning final point ran off court to coaches. Ponsana a good player but had fell out of top 30 and had been performing poorly but came through to win the Singapore open. You could see his move to celebrate with coaches was completely genuine. You can also not dispute that this guy is very respectful and in no way meant to cause any disrespect. His coaches even pointed him back to the net after a small embrace. If you watch this i believe you may change your opinions on this rule.

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    Now that this is brought up, I've also noticed that in the past few months many coaches have been pointing their victorious players back to the court to shake hands with their opponents when the winners come off court to celebrate their win.

    Must be because of this new rule.

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    Lightbulb Without opponent, there shall be no match

    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Now that this is brought up, I've also noticed that in the past few months many coaches have been pointing their victorious players back to the court to shake hands with their opponents when the winners come off court to celebrate their win.

    Must be because of this new rule.
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    I am sorry that I still disagree.

    Without opponent, there shall be no match.

    Therefore, it is important to thank our opponent first.

    IMHO, it is the proper etiquette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    LD and LCW took off their shirts after the match. Should they both be given yellow cards?
    If they were playing football (soccer?), then yes, per the laws, they would be booked and shown yellow card, even after the match's final whistle. Why? I hear you ask. The idea behind the booking is that the player is drawing attention to himself more, as the focus should be on the game, not the player.

    A referee in football will show the yellow card to such a player after the final whistle as long as s/he is still on the pitch. Badminton has no such law to enforce, or guideline(s) to follow.

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    Why doesn't the BWF just communicate to the national teams and players what is expected of them first, then see if they need to create a law if the players fail to meet their expectation. I think the players will alter their celebration once someone has told them what is expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1lau View Post
    Why doesn't the BWF just communicate to the national teams and players what is expected of them first, then see if they need to create a law if the players fail to meet their expectation. I think the players will alter their celebration once someone has told them what is expected.
    This has already been done, see the Player's Code of Conduct document on BWF's website.

    When a player does not shake hands with opponent(s) or with the umpire/service judge, this would be non-compliance of goodwill formalities, for which there is a specific fine of 100 US$ per incident (see Appendix 11 of the laws-handbook).

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    Before, during and after any match does not comply with the goodwill formalities such as thanking TOs, shaking hand with opposing players, etc. Players must thank their opponents and Umpire before leaving the field of play to celebrate with their Coach or the crowd.

    Now, here is the critical part - when a player has not shaken hands with opponent(s) or with the umpire/service judge, this fact would either be reported on the umpire score-sheet or directly into the referee report is s/he has seen this "gesture." We, on the outside, are not privy to this referee report, nor do we know if the umpire on that court reported this incident on the score-sheet. BWF, however, does have a Disciplinary Action section on their website; the latest ones are from circa 2009.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheels04 View Post
    This has already been done, see the Player's Code of Conduct document on BWF's website.

    When a player does not shake hands with opponent(s) or with the umpire/service judge, this would be non-compliance of goodwill formalities, for which there is a specific fine of 100 US$ per incident (see Appendix 11 of the laws-handbook).

    Player's On-site Offences
    4.1.2
    Before, during and after any match does not comply with the goodwill formalities such as thanking TOs, shaking hand with opposing players, etc. Players must thank their opponents and Umpire before leaving the field of play to celebrate with their Coach or the crowd.

    Now, here is the critical part - when a player has not shaken hands with opponent(s) or with the umpire/service judge, this fact would either be reported on the umpire score-sheet or directly into the referee report is s/he has seen this "gesture." We, on the outside, are not privy to this referee report, nor do we know if the umpire on that court reported this incident on the score-sheet. BWF, however, does have a Disciplinary Action section on their website; the latest ones are from circa 2009.
    Thanks for the info and shame on the BWF for seemingly not enforcing their own rule. Im not a fan of doing a celebration or grabbing your coach before shaking your opponents hand.

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