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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    I don't think WS Final is Fixing match. I enjoy to watch this match, the quality is high, so much amazing hard hitting. We see WYH's smash return by smash by Li Xuerui. In many time we see how Li forced WYH out position then kill by her smash.
    Now we know why WYH have been given walkovers and how she has benefited from them. Two consecutive tough matches and she lost in the third to a junior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    LCW chickened out of the final man.

    All players usually carry some kind injury even when 100% fit. Injury is no excuse.

    The crowd was more enthusiastic and pressure demanding this year. LD brought his A game to the final this time unlike other LCW-LD encounters.

    If you ask me, reitiring was just an easy way out for LCW and he would definitely have continued if he was playing other player (PG,CJ, TH, or PSH etc. ) in final.
    I'll disagree since LCW doesn't have history of "chickened out" due to injury. Mental breakdown - sure, but not the first.
    OG is only 4 months away and that's arguably the biggest prize is one's career. He knows he can't risk aggravating the injury to the point that it affect his OG chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    LCW chickened out of the final man.

    All players usually carry some kind injury even when 100% fit. Injury is no excuse.

    The crowd was more enthusiastic and pressure demanding this year. LD brought his A game to the final this time unlike other LCW-LD encounters.

    If you ask me, reitiring was just an easy way out for LCW and he would definitely have continued if he was playing other player (PG,CJ, TH, or PSH etc. ) in final.
    Your statement is a biggest joke of the day ...lol. I lost count the number of times LD gave injury excuses. Everyone remember the cold water excuse?? So i suppose it is ok for LD but not LCW.

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    Default Badminton: Lin takes fifth All-England title as Lee quits

    Posted: 11 March 2012 2332 hrs



    BIRMINGHAM, United Kingdom:

    Lin Dan became the first player of the open era to win the All-England men's title five times when defending champion Lee Chong Wei retired with a shoulder injury in Sunday's final.

    The setback, which happened to the Malaysian with the score at 21-19, 6-2 to the Chinese player, denied Lee the chance of becoming the first man since the 1970s to win the title three times in a row.

    Lee had also been complaining of a painful hand earlier in the tournament, and might have soldiered on longer had he snatched a very close first game which was influenced by a couple of marginal decisions.

    However, Lee was facing an Olympic and world champion with more appetite for an All-England final than last year, when Lin himself was suffering from a stomach muscle injury.

    Now Lin often took the attack to Lee, knocking the shuttle about with accuracy and variety, and moving with predatory stealth and economy.

    When he attempted to get the shuttle on to the floor it was usually with unique deception, a Lin trademark.

    "I don't think the injury affected his rhythm," Lin said through an interpreter during a brief on court interview, perhaps keen not to have the value of his win reduced in what could be his last All-England Open.

    Later though he struck a more sympathetic note.

    "I am very sorry for Lee Chong Wei," he said. "We have played against each other for almost ten years, since we were juniors, and we are very familiar with each other and have no secrets.

    "The countdown is now on (till the end of their careers) and we don't know how many more times we will play each other, so we cherish each time. With the Olympics approaching maybe he made the right decision."

    Well as Lin played, the match may have taken a different course had Lee not had moments of slight ill-luck.

    At 4-5 he projected an overhead drop which landed very close to the line but was called out, prompting him to stand and stare for a long time.

    An almost identical incident happened, but in a much more important context at 18-18, when Lee felt certain that his drop to the same sideline had actually touched the line.

    That brought more staring from him, and his sense of injustice may have been compounded when at 19-19 Lin Dan's attempted kill took a crucial net cord which made the shuttle fall in an irretrievably.

    Against that Lin had a moment of frustration too, when a kill at the net which he thought had earned him an 11-8 lead was denied him because the umpire ruled he had put his racket over the net.

    This brought huge jeers from the crowd, a majority of whom supported Lin, regarded by many as the greatest player of all time.

    The decisive tilt of fortunes came eleven rallies later, on a game point in which Lee's half-smash landed desperately close to the same sideline where he had previously been disappointed.

    This too was called out, though it was maybe by no more than an inch, causing Lee to toss his racket behind him in disgust. Five minutes later he decided he had had enough.

    "I'm very disappointed at what happened," said Lee. "I had the shoulder injury earlier, but I didn't want to disappoint the crowd so I came to play anyway.

    "But when I felt the pain some more I didn't want to push the shoulder any more."

    Without doubt Lee will have had his fitness for London 2012 in mind, when he is likely to be trying to atone for his one-sided loss to Lin Dan in the Olympics Games in Beijing.

    Earlier another world number one, Wang Yihan, crashed to a shock defeat in the women's singles final as her 21-year-old compatriot Li Xuerui snatched the title with a remarkably composed performance in a 21-13, 21-19 win.

    Wang's was a strangely error-strewn performance in the first game and then an unexpectedly flat one emotionally in the second when she had a 15-10 lead and seemed likely to take it to a decider.

    If Li finishes in the world's top four at the end of next month, it gives China the maximum three singles players in this event at the Olympic Games in London.

    The Chinese also won the women's doubles, giving them three titles, though this is their smallest All-England haul for eight years.

    Men's singles final:
    Lin Dan (CHN) bt Lee Chong Wei (MAS) 21-19, 6-2 retires

    Men's doubles final:
    Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (KOR) bt Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng (CHN) 21-23, 21-9, 21-14

    Women's singles final:
    Li Xuerui (CHN) bt Wang Yihan (CHN) 21-13, 21-19

    Women's doubles final:
    Tian Qing/Zhao Yunlei (CHN) bt Wang Xiaoli/Yu Yang (CHN) 21-17, 21-12

    Mixed doubles final:
    Tontowi Ahmad/Lilyana Natsir (INA) bt Thomas Laybourn/Kamilla Rytter Juhl (DEN) 21-17, 21-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    LCW chickened out of the final man.All players usually carry some kind injury even when 100% fit. Injury is no excuse.The crowd was more enthusiastic and pressure demanding this year. LD brought his A game to the final this time unlike other LCW-LD encounters.If you ask me, reitiring was just an easy way out for LCW and he would definitely have continued if he was playing other player (PG,CJ, TH, or PSH etc. ) in final.
    This is no normal injury. LD brought his A game to the final? That was a super nervous LD playing a super injured LCW. Nerves will evaporate but injury will worsen as the match progresses. LCW indicates his superiority by employing alternative tactics when he could hold off LD right till the end with a worsening injury in G1. In G2, when his shots went haywire, it meant the injury was so bad he could not execute normally. Further play could aggravate the injury to the extent of jeopardising the recovery fully for OG. LCW is no coward but known for sportsmanship. In one tournament ( CHN or JO or HKO?), he played with injured knees and in pain but completed the match (knowing he would lose) to give Simon Santoso a proper victory. Well, if LCW plays in Swiss Open, then we know it s fake. If not, it means it s really serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    I thought you guys where all against WOs...
    i am the only one here who is in favour of LCW doing W/O. I am advocating it because it is for LCW's own good. Beside, it may give LD the impression that LCW is not fit. There is no shame in LCW copying LD's strategy of early 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miqilin7 View Post
    The tournament has been by far the most entertaining one in the SS standards despite the horrendous management by the organisers and flak by the top players aka Peter Gade.

    It will take a lot of years for us to forget the following eventful moments and we will cherish them to the max:

    Indonesia finally ended their decade of medal drought by winning in the category which they havent won for 33 years. A fantastic achievement and kudos to them for winning on a tough European soil. They break the duck at last and will encourage Indonesians to perform even better in the coming All England tournaments.

    After more than 12 months of Immortality, the Three Wang Kingdom's winning streak has finally come to end but to the hands of an unknown player also from China who primary role is to play as a foot soldier for the Wangs. Li Xuerui's current form has put more pressure to LYB as to who should he pick to represent China for the Olympics. One thing is for sure one of the Wangs who get replaced will not be an entirely happy bunny. A big blow to the Wangs' dominance.

    Yes the match didnt conclude as what we expected to be. But Lin Dan has done what no other players could ever achieve. Winning the fifth All England title in his eight final appearance has surpassed the likes of Liem Swie King and Morten Frost in the Modern Era.

    Fans get to witness Lin Dan's true colour as a sportsman with integrity and respect for his opponent by convincing everyone that Lee Chong Wei will make a speedy recovery because he has to fulfill his responsibility as a Malaysian representative and is looking forward to meet each other again in the Olympics Games to fight it all out as rivals and friends.

    That speaks volumes of Lin Dan as the greatest player of all time and one of the memorable points which i can take away from this tournament. Case close !

    Don't forget INA's Rudy Hartono or you intended him to be from another era?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjoo888 View Post
    Whether or not the Z-Force contributed to his injury, it will be interesting to see if LCW continues to use it. Maybe the most hyped racquet of all time, Yonex has a big investment in the Z-Force.
    maybe LCW should change the string tension as well. lower it to below 30 lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    LCW chickened out of the final man.

    All players usually carry some kind injury even when 100% fit. Injury is no excuse.

    The crowd was more enthusiastic and pressure demanding this year. LD brought his A game to the final this time unlike other LCW-LD encounters.

    If you ask me, reitiring was just an easy way out for LCW and he would definitely have continued if he was playing other player (PG,CJ, TH, or PSH etc. ) in final.

    Chickened out??? Seriously??

    I guess you did not see the grimaces of pain on LCW's face during the game.

    I guess you did not see the times he called for the tournament doctor.

    We all don't know how much pain he is going through.

    I guess we all saw LCW hitting less than his usual booming smashes.

    Its all very easy for us to sit back on our comfy chairs and comment on how LCW should continue, how he should stay mentally strong blah blah blah...

    But in reality, do we know the amount of pain he is playing through? no.

    Do we know how disappointed he might be having to lose this final and retire? no.

    Lastly, do we know how debilitating an injury might be to a professionals game? esp an All England final? no.

    For the record, just look at Jung Jae Sung's performance during the super series finale when he had that shoulder injury, hardly impressive.

    Who are us spectators, who don't go through the hell that LCW goes through everyday to even get to this level of play to comment that he chickened out in the final??

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamsyams View Post
    Um, no? A sore on his hand is worlds apart from a shoulder injury. He was playing quite normally against LHI yesterday, as opposed to today where he basically can't smash at all.
    LCW wasn't playing normally against LHI. He was struggling. How often do you see LCW not been able to retrieve a shuttle ONE METRE away? Never, if I remember correctly. That happened at least twice with LHI. Hand is different from shoulder? Well, I doubt LCW is clear about anatomy in English vocabulary, so maybe he used the only English word he knew (hand) linked to the body part in question (shoulder). Or the pain could have graduated to shoulder(guessing, I m no doctor). In any case, I would use ' Tangan ' because I don t know the word for shoulder if I m asked in Bahasa. I only know Tangan and kaki for the major parts of anatomy in Bahasa. What about you?

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    Shoulder = bahu

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    Default my 2 cents after read all the post regard lee/lin final

    my thought
    lin dan is extremely eager to win this,with a lots of tense
    he smashed twice to lcw back hand but out,that was unusual as he dont like to bend backward like lcw
    lin dan feel the heat and pressure when he cant lead lcw in bigger points gap
    lcw keeps chasing,thats explained why he serve into the net twice

    in another hand
    lee cw tried to win the 1st set,he was inch away from it
    i believe the pain on shoulder affect his accurate placement
    the situation is even worst in 2nd set where lcw cant control the shuttle,hence he decide to retired
    no one should doubt if he is injured or not
    from lcw micro expression,it was real

    the next meeting will be more exciting than the 2011 wc final
    hehe,waiting for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    my thought
    lin dan is extremely eager to win this,with a lots of tense
    he smashed twice to lcw back hand but out,that was unusual as he dont like to bend backward like lcw
    lin dan feel the heat and pressure when he cant lead lcw in bigger points gap
    lcw keeps chasing,thats explained why he serve into the net twice

    in another hand
    lee cw tried to win the 1st set,he was inch away from it
    i believe the pain on shoulder affect his accurate placement
    the situation is even worst in 2nd set where lcw cant control the shuttle,hence he decide to retired
    no one should doubt if he is injured or not
    from lcw micro expression,it was real

    the next meeting will be more exciting than the 2011 wc final
    hehe,waiting for it!
    Yes i do realize that on the final, some of his placement is going all over the places, that is the point that hold my back for jumping into conclusion that it is a 100% fake injury. In 2nd set, LCW steep cross court half smash, and later followed by aggressive push to the empty court able to deliver him a point & that is the time LCW called it a day. In performing that shot, it seems that he does not suffer so much from the injury.

    There is a possibility that the injury is real, it might be due to overstretch the shoulder muscle too much, with a proper massage technique, it will soon recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    I don't think WS Final is Fixing match.
    I enjoy to watch this match, the quality is high, so much amazing hard hitting. We see WYH's smash return by smash by Li Xuerui. In many time we see how Li forced WYH out position then kill by her smash.
    Yes I think it was good quality and I was surprised that Li remained calm throughout and did not try to hasten the game and commit unnecessary errors. Of she knows Wang's game well just as Wang knows her game. In the end it was the quality shots that earned Li her much deserved victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    Applies to all female players too. I can't wait.
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    I was so tired that I fell asleep during the Womens Doubles (Match No.3).

    If what you had proposed do happen, I am sure it would wake me up.
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    In my opinion, I think G1 was fought at the very highest level by both players, as is humanly possible, under such immense pressure from the fans and media.

    As far as G1 is concerned, there is really no point in speculating how the injury affected LCW’s game because it was quite clear to me that the motivation or mental determination simply took over whatever (nagging) discomfort at that closing juncture of G1. LCW simply knew he had to throw all ammunitions he had to cross that finishing line and secure G1 – come hell or high water.

    As Anthony Clark aptly remarked; “Sometimes an injury can work in favour of the injured (psychologically).”


    Well, it most likely worked against LD because if he had lost to an injured LCW, his reputation would down the drain; the media and some on this forum would go berserk. From my perspective, LCW, in trying to surge ahead to close off G1, in fact put in more effort than he usually does against anyone and that resulted in some of the most remarkable display of skills and confidence I’ve ever seen from him. But even under such a unique circumstance when he had a slight (mental) edge over LD, he could not seal G1.

    And of course unfortunately and understandably in the said process, it aggravated his injury to the point of early retirement in G2. I reckon he and Tay Siew Bock would have already planned this retirement if he is unable to secure G1.

    So as far as G1 is concerned, we can safely conclude that LD is the superior player last night – injury or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licin View Post
    She is indeed quite stunning

    LYD/JJS attack & defense is an absolutely incredible throughout AE2012.

    Yeah i do really enjoy AE week.. Good to you able to watch Swiss Open live.

    Two Thumbs up for LYD/JJS... CY/FHF is just unlucky & not in their best form, since injury sucking FHF attack power a lot..

    LCW also laugh for the wrong translation..
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    LCW will be the best and the serious challenger in the MS against LD at the 2012 London Olympics.

    No wonder LCW laughed at her wrong translation.
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