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    Question Why do pros stand on the same side of the court as their partner when smashing? [PIC]



    Is it because returning a smash cross-court is difficult and therefore statistically unlikely?

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    Well theoretically, the smash will be hard so the person receiving the smash shouldn't really be able to have a well placed shot and will generally focus on just hitting it back. Theoretically, the person receiving it will lift straight and a a bad lift can be intercepted by the person in the front

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    well, imho the correct question is: where else should the net player stand?

    notice that the backcourt player is on the very right end of the court, so the netplayer moves accordingly. nothing special bout that, pretty standard...

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    Well, what if LYD hits to the blue dots in the picture above? For a right handed player it shouldn't be too difficult right?

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    Not entirely sure what you mean by blue dots but I assume you mean cross court where the empty space is. For a right hander, that is in fact that most difficult defensive shot when you have a 260+ kph smash coming at you. In fact it's already hard enough with a regular smash. Unless the smash is coming onto LYD's forehand, which is very unlikely, trying to do a backhand cross court smash defense as a right hander when you're on the right side of the court is EXTREMELY hard. It's the natural limitation of being a right hander in the case of your picture.

    No player in the game can pull off the shot consistently enough, so as a result the net player defends the straight defense. There will be some rare times when the player in LYD's situation will be able to cross court the shot on their backhand, but most of the time they won't be able to.

    Hope this answers your question!

    edit: If the person where LYD is standing is a left hander, your point may be more valid. But I suspect the net player will stand closer to the middle if that's the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactim View Post
    Not entirely sure what you mean by blue dots but I assume you mean cross court where the empty space is. For a right hander, that is in fact that most difficult defensive shot when you have a 260+ kph smash coming at you. In fact it's already hard enough with a regular smash. Unless the smash is coming onto LYD's forehand, which is very unlikely, trying to do a backhand cross court smash defense as a right hander when you're on the right side of the court is EXTREMELY hard. It's the natural limitation of being a right hander in the case of your picture.

    No player in the game can pull off the shot consistently enough, so as a result the net player defends the straight defense. There will be some rare times when the player in LYD's situation will be able to cross court the shot on their backhand, but most of the time they won't be able to.

    Hope this answers your question!

    edit: If the person where LYD is standing is a left hander, your point may be more valid. But I suspect the net player will stand closer to the middle if that's the case.
    Thanks for the explanation. No wonder this fails whenever I do the same thing; my partner doesn't smash hard enough XD

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    cant see any pic in the op, but this might be enlightening...
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...straight-smash

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    I agree w/ Timothy on the front player always have to try to intercept a smash return, so he/she should stand in the direction of the smash. Thus he is standing somehow in the centre of the anticipated smash return from the receiver.

    It is also true that it is harder to return smash cross-court, only advance players can do it well and not often played.

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    As with all discussion pertaining to what you see professional players do, it's important to understand that they use strategies that are sometimes difficult for recreational players to implement. In this case, the front player is able to stand directly in line with his rear-court partner because the rear-court player presumably has enough power in his smash to make a cross-court reply very difficult - as a result, the front player can take advantage of this fact by moving in line with a straight reply.

    If you were playing recreationally and your partner can't smash hard, this strategy may backfire if your opponent is good at defending.

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    With a smash that fast, it's more likely that the block or lift will come back straight as opposed to cross court. The front player stands on the same side as the smashing player so that they can get the net kill after a (hopefully) weak same-side return from the defender.

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    The other thing noone has mentioned yet is that the straight block is the fastest shot the defender can play. If they block cross-court then the shuttle has to travel a greater distance, so the net player has more time to intercept the shot.

    For club level play, if your partner's smash isn't so powerful then you won't stand so far across, but you should still be a little bit off centre so that you're ready for that fast response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexh View Post
    The other thing noone has mentioned yet is that the straight block is the fastest shot the defender can play. If they block cross-court then the shuttle has to travel a greater distance, so the net player has more time to intercept the shot.

    For club level play, if your partner's smash isn't so powerful then you won't stand so far across, but you should still be a little bit off centre so that you're ready for that fast response.
    to elaborate the above, here is the table of 4 scenarios:

    standing on smasher side standing not on smasher side
    defense straight fast shot. fast receive. good fast shot, slow receive. bad
    defense cross slower shot, slower receive. ok slower shot, fast receive. but not
    need to be fast.

    so as you can see, it is more advantageous to be standing at the smasher's side of the court

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    1. Statistically, as you mention, cross-court return is more difficult
    2. The distance between straight and cross-court return, it will takes less time for the shuttle to be reach if it is straight return compare to the cross-court
    3. Mentally the defensive player will see that offensive player is ready to intercept straight reply, hence give more presure

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    to elaborate the above, here is the table of 4 scenarios:

    standing on smasher side standing not on smasher side
    defense straight fast shot. fast receive. good fast shot, slow receive. bad
    defense cross slower shot, slower receive. ok slower shot, fast receive. but not
    need to be fast.


    so as you can see, it is more advantageous to be standing at the smasher's side of the court
    Thanks for the chart, kwun; it sums it all up pretty well.

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    It's hard to communicate with your partner, especially if they think they are senior player, without any couching. Teach them how to play might hurt their feeling. It happen to me all the time as I play with different partner each week.

    Best thing to do just aim your smash to wherever he/she is standing. If the return straight forward to him, then it would be good.

    If you are going for a tourney, find a partner who understand this basic attacking formation.

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    because the non-pros often smash/cut into their partner, so it's safer to stand on the other side

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    colour coded. green fast, orange medium, red slow.

    it's just math. he's in the best place to reach the possible returns. the shuttle will cross the net between the 2 dots. he's just standing in the most optimum place to intercept any return. he has the shortest distance to travel to reach the shortest/fastest return possible, any return to the left will travel a greater distance allowing more time to get there.

    if stood on the left, he will cover the left very well but he has a long way to go to get to the shortest/fastest return possible.

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