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    Default Peter Gade loses his match at 2:30 AM, thanks All England organizers!

    It is unacceptable that matches complete at 2:30 AM in the morning. I thought All England was the premier badminton super series in the world - and they've been organizing this year after year. Yet Peter Gade is unceremoniously loses to Rajiv Ouseph at 2:30 AM in the morning:

    http://www.nst.com.my/sports/badmint...r-exit-1.58071

    Taufik also had to wait 3 hours to play and couldn't eat in the meantime, almost losing to Kevin Cordon (check Taufik's comments in the article above).

    Is this how the Olympics will run? With players playing to 2:30 AM in the morning and players unable to eat their meals at the scheduled time? As Peter Gade mentioned, they could have run 5 courts instead of 4 courts. Also, if the timing was that tight, couldn't they have started the tournament a day earlier?

    2:30 AM in the morning is unacceptable and unprofessional. Don't even mention the players - the umpire and line judges are prone to make mistakes at 2:30 AM in the morning, nevermind the players.

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    Mods, please don't lump this into the Day 1 thread. This needs to be seen and heard, because this type of joke can't happen at the Olympics. It will just be an embarassment for badminton if the organizers do this at the Olympics.

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    And I'll also have to add:

    How can an umpire be allowed to effectively disqualify Koo and Tan at 19 all rubber match, by showing a yellow then a red card for something simple as a drink and a walk around the court?!

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    That's what I like to say to European, especially England badminton coaches & players, don't complain about the dominance of Asian countries in Badminton sport, just look at how poor you treat badminton itself!!! Just look at how poor you invest in badminton and how poor in organizing a Premier Super Series like this! Even for AE , which the English Badminton Asso is always proud of its historical statue in badminton sports, comparable to Wimbledon in Tennis ( only in history, but not quality of organization IMO... )

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    Watched the koo/tan thing live.,they were repeatedly warned. They left serves and asked let when they were ready etc. Good to see an umpire enforcing continuous play, lots doubles pairs taking far too long...get ready twitch look down, walk away, hand slap, get ready , hand up....so tedious for spectators.

    The 2.30 match is a disgrace, its clear that 35 minute turn around on 2 courts can never work

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    I agreed that it's very poor organized if a match has to play at 2:30am. But I don't agree with title. Peter Gade didn't lose the match because of the organizers. Didn't his opponent have to play at 2:30am also? Taufik couldn't eat for 3 hours. If he's hungry, and there were still 3 matches (for example) before his match, he could definitely find something to eat. 3 matches should last at least 1 1/2 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlp View Post
    ........The 2.30 match is a disgrace, its clear that 35 minute turn around on 2 courts can never work
    That's really the point! 45 min per match is more reasonable.

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    The All-England is operating under new Super Series regulations from the Badminton World Federation requiring it to use four and not five courts, which contributed to a schedule which went on into the early hours of Thursday.
    http://www.nst.com.my/sports/badminton/badminton-hidayat-rages-at-all-england-s-never-ending-story-1.57602#ixzz1ofUyhJ8k

    Regulations from BWF not Badminton England, if the court turn round time was too much then that is a problem that needs to be sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy05 View Post
    The All-England is operating under new Super Series regulations from the Badminton World Federation requiring it to use four and not five courts


    Genuine question: Does anyone know why? Seems like a silly regulation/rule to me ... but then again bwf is headquartered in kuala lumpur so maybe thats why, if you know what I mean ... (disclaimer: I'm malaysian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiching99 View Post
    Genuine question: Does anyone know why? Seems like a silly regulation/rule to me ... but then again bwf is headquartered in kuala lumpur so maybe thats why, if you know what I mean ... (disclaimer: I'm malaysian)
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    I have no idea. They seem to create some awful rules. The panel isn't all Malaysian so it doesn't matter where it's based.

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    From what I have observed, it looks like OSIM, the title sponsor, wants more visibility. Their logos around the umpire and service judge s chair space are now bigger. To accommodate for more space for their logos, the number of courts will have to be reduced. That s pretty stupid. Big does not mean better visibility. It s like Polo Ralph Lauren.( not sure about correct name.) They used to have smaller logos on their apparel which are visible yet classy. Now their logos are so big, it s loud and makes the brand look cheap and out of proportion. OSIM probably thought size is important. Well, from the mind awareness point of view, it s frequency and proportion that matters more. Well, from the spectators view, it s frequency, so 5 courts are better than 4. From the tv viewers point of view, if the logo is too big for the screen, it annoys the viewers enjoyment and jars the mind, so the effect is negative and the objective of giving OSIM more space by standardising to 4 courts, misfires. Plus, doing it at the expense of players and fans, will backfire on them. I may be wrong. I just thought the space around the umpire and service judge s areas look so out of proportion, it s weird. ( By the way, OSIM is a Singapore company. So I m not surprised they want maximum bang for their bucks. Except the extra bang is negative. Haven t they heard bigger does not mean better.)

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    Remember that one BCer complained about the lack of INA's organizer's proffesionalism?? it turned that INA Open SSP was voted the best tournament by players and official...
    Remember that BWF allows 4 courts for SS except for Japan Open which the hall they use has to be clear before 9.30 pm as I believe...
    Also it is very common that it starts at 9 am instead of 10 am..it may help....

    Again the rule as far as I know as I have asked before ..BWF stresses 45 minutes, not 35 minutes...
    also BWF official in this case the Refereeds has to look at the schdule and I am surprised why he or she allows 35 minutes instead of 45 minutes....the blames goes to BWF official who approves the schedule, not the organizer...

    for OSIM logo..it is set and it has to be that way especially for TV court....
    Please note that playes adapt 21 scoring well...take a look a few years ago..we hardly see any 1 hour match...but last 2 years...it is more and more matches lasted over 1 hour especially on WD....
    Again I think it should start at 9 am on first day of tournament, not 10 am....thats my opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiching99 View Post
    Genuine question: Does anyone know why? Seems like a silly regulation/rule to me ... but then again bwf is headquartered in kuala lumpur so maybe thats why, if you know what I mean ... (disclaimer: I'm malaysian)
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    Yes...it is located in Malaysia but officials are not Malaysian entirely..they are Danish, English, mostly european...

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    I hope the powers that be can sort out how these large tournaments are run and make a better experience ahead for players, fans and audiences. Even small tournaments often have scheduling issues.

    I couldn't help noticing the the link "Traffic Nightmare" in the most read section of the Gade Fury and Hidayat Rages pages. Strange connection - people trying get to work or play on time can get upset. People who have sat through enough of those jams can understand what tiching99 means.

    ref: http://www.nst.com.my/latest/traffic-nightmare-1.58173

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qidong View Post
    I agreed that it's very poor organized if a match has to play at 2:30am. But I don't agree with title. Peter Gade didn't lose the match because of the organizers. Didn't his opponent have to play at 2:30am also? Taufik couldn't eat for 3 hours. If he's hungry, and there were still 3 matches (for example) before his match, he could definitely find something to eat. 3 matches should last at least 1 1/2 hours.
    TH did not know he had to wait for 3 hours..remember that most of players when they decide to eat something..they prefer 1 hour before their matches...it is very common that they need to warm up and streching before that....some players think that they can eat after the matches and if it is way too late then they could not eat...even eating fruits may not help much...thats my opinion!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Remember that one BCer complained about the lack of INA's organizer's proffesionalism?? it turned that INA Open SSP was voted the best tournament by players and official...Remember that BWF allows 4 courts for SS except for Japan Open which the hall they use has to be clear before 9.30 pm as I believe...Also it is very common that it starts at 9 am instead of 10 am..it may help....Again the rule as far as I know as I have asked before ..BWF stresses 45 minutes, not 35 minutes...also BWF official in this case the Refereeds has to look at the schdule and I am surprised why he or she allows 35 minutes instead of 45 minutes....the blames goes to BWF official who approves the schedule, not the organizer...for OSIM logo..it is set and it has to be that way especially for TV court....Please note that playes adapt 21 scoring well...take a look a few years ago..we hardly see any 1 hour match...but last 2 years...it is more and more matches lasted over 1 hour especially on WD....Again I think it should start at 9 am on first day of tournament, not 10 am....thats my opinion...
    Agree. Gotta start at 9am. But last match will still end at 2am. The number of courts have to be 5 when a tournament is highly competitive. BWF cannot standardise in this way because tournament standards are not all the same.

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    Again BWF promises to standarize the PLAYER Lounge for all SS/SSP....ALL Englad does not have "standard" players lounge except INA Open SSP which their players lounge got BWF's attention....we know there will be delay due to long matches..and it is very important that we provide massage chairs ( courtesy of OSIM), snacks, fruits,hot food, noodle, games..computer, WIFI, TV and magazines/books and cozy chairs as some players like to take a nap.....so far all SS do not have that....

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