Video of Pronation

**J_Noodles** · 04-01-2012, 10:50 AM

I just came across a tennis pronation video. The coach demonstrates the motion without the racket, and I thought it would help people trying to understand the motion itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWYn...eature=related

**Jason123** · 04-01-2012, 12:43 PM

Doesnt pronation come naturally when hitting a shuttle anyway?

**demolidor** · 04-01-2012, 01:35 PM

To some degree yes but just like footwork it needs to be developed further (and for some it comes more naturally than others, like throwing a ball) ... If it came naturally in perfect fashion you wouldn't be panhandling in the first place

(unless you forget your comment already: "grip is wrong. contact point is off centre and too low. body facing wrong way. not pronating. follow through is bad.")

We already have a perfectly good vid to illustrate right here thanks to thejym (step 3 is where you need to work on most)

**demolidor** · 04-01-2012, 01:50 PM

*never mind the nunchuks*

**bbirdman** · 04-01-2012, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by demolidor

To some degree yes but just like footwork it needs to be developed further (and for some it comes more naturally than others, like throwing a ball) ... If it came naturally in perfect fashion you wouldn't be panhandling in the first place

(unless you forget your comment already: "grip is wrong. contact point is off centre and too low. body facing wrong way. not pronating. follow through is bad.")

We already have a perfectly good vid to illustrate right here thanks to thejym (step 3 is where you need to work on most)

This is a good video I first saw and used but caution the grip is too loose! The forefinger and thumb should be wrapped more around the handle and the palm of hand should be more on racket.
As a result of using this grip my grip kept slipping to easily to panhandle while executing the stroke!

**visor** · 04-01-2012, 02:15 PM

^^ huh? don't you quickly tighten your grip just before striking the bird? ... either that or you need tackier over grip

**bbirdman** · 04-01-2012, 02:37 PM

When you tighten your grip it slipped to panhandle because panhandle was the grip I was previously before.
Im sharing my experience of using this vid as somebody who can now do overheads correctly.
Also if you look at lots of images of pro badminton players showing before they hit the shuttle at various stages of their stroke none of them use a grip as loose as in the vid.
Also none of the 4 coaches I know grip the racket as loose or any experienced player I have come across.
The good thing I did find about the grip is the ability of rapid grip changes.
So visor you smart arsed uneducated comments are unhelpful.

**bbirdman** · 04-01-2012, 02:49 PM

I think grip tightening generally should be a more subtle thing that makes the racket pause on hitting it. Not a sudden grip change before contact.
Although having seen the poster it clearly work for him as hes very good player and the rest of vid is very good in my opinion.

**thejym** · 04-01-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by bbirdman

I think grip tightening generally should be a more subtle thing that makes the racket pause on hitting it. Not a sudden grip change before contact.
Although having seen the poster it clearly work for him as hes very good player and the rest of vid is very good in my opinion.

You are correct in that no one actually grips it as loosely as demonstrated in the grip section of the video above (not even myself!) when they play. However, it's my personal teaching style to exaggerate what I think to be new concepts to beginners (my target audience), especially with the finer details that may be hard to see. As you will see in the demo swings later in the video, I'm not actually gripping it as loosely as initially shown (although I have seen good players who do).

I will be the first to say that my video is not perfect -- it's good that you examine things with a critical eye. If I were to remake this video, I would likely include my responses to the many issues that people have when they first try this stroke. In particular, many people tell me that their grip rotates in their hand when they swing, which means they still haven't fully grasped all aspects of stroke or haven't found that balance in the swing. Gripping the handle tightly might cover up the issue but doesn't solve it. You can still have a relaxed grip on the handle without feeling like the swing causes the racket to rotate inside your hand -- if I can do this with just my thumb and pinky holding the handle, clearly the tightness of the grip is not the main issue.

**bbirdman** · 04-01-2012, 03:50 PM

When under pressure I still end resorting to a more panhandle grip but its getting better but for me its been very hard! I did think of for a good few sessions taping my hand to the racket!

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For a long time I didn't know I was doing it.
Thanks for the response thejym.

**visor** · 04-01-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by bbirdman

So visor you smart arsed uneducated comments are unhelpful.

Oh I'm so sorry to have wasted your time ... I'll just crawl back to where I belong now. And if you don't understand a light hearted remark with a smiley face at the end and can get so easily offended by what could've been helpful suggestions, then may I suggest you get out more often. /unsubscribed

**bbirdman** · 04-01-2012, 05:30 PM

sorry visor

**visor** · 04-01-2012, 08:45 PM

Hey bbirdman, no harm no foul.

. I'll be more careful with my off the cuff replies, as i often forget that we often can't detect the tone of voice while communicating over the Internet. Let's start over.

**axl886** · 04-02-2012, 08:35 AM

Shouldn't it be "no harm no FOWL" instead?

Peace to all.

**dimiberbs** · 04-05-2012, 03:14 AM

I could be very wrong here but I couldn't help but noticed the type of movement advocated by Coach Zhao Jian Hua in his video series, the movements seem to be lacking in hand pronation. He emphasizes on wrist movement instead, a short burst of speed by tightening the grip.

Also, there seems to be a lack of following through at the end of the swing...

**Zackster** · 04-08-2012, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by dimiberbs

I could be very wrong here but I couldn't help but noticed the type of movement advocated by Coach Zhao Jian Hua in his video series, the movements seem to be lacking in hand pronation. He emphasizes on wrist movement instead, a short burst of speed by tightening the grip.

Also, there seems to be a lack of following through at the end of the swing...

Coach Zhao and Coach lee have the best demonstration of correct technique. Idk why people are concerned about the technicalities of the stroke instead ..well just the correct technique. I've been playing badminton 2 years now and trust me i tried every method of stroke and then finally i got a good coach , a state player in my country and he taught me the correct way. The no 1 rule of all stroke is being relaxed which means the handle is relaxed in the fingers not palm and then use forward motion only wrist action . I've seen kids aged 9 hit better smashes than adults and don't tell me they know of pronation. Is all about being relaxed. Trust me on this.

**thejym** · 04-08-2012, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Zackster

Coach Zhao and Coach lee have the best demonstration of correct technique. Idk why people are concerned about the technicalities of the stroke instead ..well just the correct technique. I've been playing badminton 2 years now and trust me i tried every method of stroke and then finally i got a good coach , a state player in my country and he taught me the correct way. The no 1 rule of all stroke is being relaxed which means the handle is relaxed in the fingers not palm and then use forward motion only wrist action . I've seen kids aged 9 hit better smashes than adults and don't tell me they know of pronation. Is all about being relaxed. Trust me on this.

I can't say that two years is enough time to have learned everything. I've been playing much longer than that and I am still learning. Do try to keep an open mind!