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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    i found another video from a different angle, but unfortunately after the racket throwing... which by the way looked like it was purposely aimed to miss the korean coach... but lin dan looking for a fight in this video is even more serious than simply throwing a racket...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...5z1zwfOog&NR=1

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    It may seem like destroying a racket out of anger and frustration may not seem to affect the game very much, but like others have said it's unsportsmanlike conduct. It creates a lot of tension in the match which could affect your partner if you're playing in doubles. When you're a professional, you have to have standards to abide by regarding behavior. You wouldn't want everyone in professional sports to be brats and complain about every little thing would you? That's why these rules are in place so people don't act immature, not to mention breaking a racket is also bad for the image of badminton as a whole.

    The same goes for tennis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7kS68T6ptA

    Marcos Baghdatis breaks 4 rackets in a row. He does not have a racket sponsor mainly because of his attitude and behavior just like this, he's a bad image for tennis and for the company that sponsors him (he was formerly world #8). He was lucky to just get a warning and not lose a point or a game with the number of rackets he smashed in one sitting. Essentially though, it's the same situation for tennis and badminton. I can assure you though that I see it a LOT less in badminton than I do in tennis.

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    Exclamation Any form of outburst and display/demonstration of violence should not be tolerated

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    Any form of outburst and display/demonstration of violence should not be tolerated.

    If I were in the audience, I would boo at him.

    If I were his opponent, I would pack up my bag and leave the court immediately.

    If I were the umpire, I would conclude the match as finished/over straight away.

    If I were the sponsor of his rackets, I would stop supplying rackets to him.

    If I were BWF, I would give him a suspension.

    We play sports to have courtesy and grace.
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    Well not the best umpire in that situation, and just think this umpire is today referee at the big tournaments.
    One could wunder about this

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    The same goes for tennis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7kS68T6ptA
    I'm a young player, but the behaviour shown by this player is uncalled for!
    I think a player should accept defeat and not kill their rackets to death.

    The situation for Lin Dan, even though the quality of the video wasn't the best, I clearly saw that the shuttle landed out and it is the line judge's fault... I think Lin Dan shouldn't have reacted like that, I agree I would definitely feel really annoyed but I think he should have just tried to play the next point and go on from there.

    Lee Hyun Il player well, as the score was 21-4 21-23 21-23

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    Calmness goes with experience.

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    Ive been pissed off a few times, and the only reason i didnt smash my racket is because I wouldnt be able to afford a new one XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason123 View Post
    Ive been pissed off a few times, and the only reason i didnt smash my racket is because I wouldnt be able to afford a new one XD
    Hmmm, try this next time you get frustrated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi-CgSO9Evw
    Self-abuse is cheaper than racket abuse.

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    lmfao that was well funny, he must have hit his head with the frame :S

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    Sorry to revive the thread...

    But after watching some more badminton matches I've noticed a few things about "racket abuse warnings". From here, it seems that you guys seem to agree that if a person loses his/her cool during the match, you would give him/her a warning. Example, hitting a racket on the floor.

    Would you guys give a fault to players that toss their rackets in the air? I mean to me, if you're going to give a card to someone for taking a swipe at the air, you might as well give cards to racket tossing in the air, yelling to pent out frustration. Example, I think it was Indonesia Open MD finals where Mogensen took a viscous swipe at the air and was rewarded with a yellow card. His done it at the China open against the same pair and nothing happened. I've seen FHF toss his racket up in the air because the strings broke and he missed a shot and no card. Same goes with Boe when he tossed up his racket too because he missed a shot at the net. Do you guys view this at unsportsmanlike? Because I don't think so... I think the players such want a way to vent out their frustration. I mean if this is considered unsportsmanlike, you might as well fault Fischer for running his victory lap up to the net and staring down his opponents for every point his won. Not only that, what about him running up to the net and pointing and shouting at his opponents? I saw this against Zhao/Zhang in the Denmark open. And I am pretty sure his done that a lot more to other opponents as well. Sure that is his "intensity" but to me, its pretty disrespectful to run up to stare them down AND point at them while yelling something that they don't understand.

    Anyhow, I agree that racket abuse, meaning destruction of a racket, should not be tolerated as THAT to me is unsportsmanlike.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JukUx View Post
    Sorry to revive the thread...

    But after watching some more badminton matches I've noticed a few things about "racket abuse warnings". From here, it seems that you guys seem to agree that if a person loses his/her cool during the match, you would give him/her a warning. Example, hitting a racket on the floor.

    Would you guys give a fault to players that toss their rackets in the air? I mean to me, if you're going to give a card to someone for taking a swipe at the air, you might as well give cards to racket tossing in the air, yelling to pent out frustration. Example, I think it was Indonesia Open MD finals where Mogensen took a viscous swipe at the air and was rewarded with a yellow card. His done it at the China open against the same pair and nothing happened. I've seen FHF toss his racket up in the air because the strings broke and he missed a shot and no card. Same goes with Boe when he tossed up his racket too because he missed a shot at the net. Do you guys view this at unsportsmanlike? Because I don't think so... I think the players such want a way to vent out their frustration. I mean if this is considered unsportsmanlike, you might as well fault Fischer for running his victory lap up to the net and staring down his opponents for every point his won. Not only that, what about him running up to the net and pointing and shouting at his opponents? I saw this against Zhao/Zhang in the Denmark open. And I am pretty sure his done that a lot more to other opponents as well. Sure that is his "intensity" but to me, its pretty disrespectful to run up to stare them down AND point at them while yelling something that they don't understand.

    Anyhow, I agree that racket abuse, meaning destruction of a racket, should not be tolerated as THAT to me is unsportsmanlike.

    Cheers!

    Tossing a racket up and even catching it, should warrant at least a verbal warning the 1st time. Not all umpires will give a verbal warning for it, but they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunder.tw View Post
    Wow! I was just wondering if it would've been the same if some lower ranked opponent was playing against LD or LCW, for that matter. Would he also have been punished with just a yellow card. It seems quite obvious to me that this action should heve resulted in immediate eviction of the player and a forfeit. N this coming from a die hard LD fan!!

    I am not gonna try to justify LD's action here. I mean, if I would've been in that situation (wishful thinking here) I would've probably done the same or even worse! But it doesn't absolve one of the fact that it was a mistake which warranted a much stricter penalty.
    For the unheralded players out there... Life sure is unfair!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CantSmashThis View Post
    Tossing a racket up and even catching it, should warrant at least a verbal warning the 1st time. Not all umpires will give a verbal warning for it, but they should.
    Huh?? What's next, warning for staring at the opponent?

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    I think many BCers have not thought deep enough the reasons why law-makers at BWF make certain laws.

    When tossing a racket high up in the air, it could;
    * cause accident to players, umpires, line-judges and even spectators if thrown up without due care.
    * cause damage to the ceiling, light-fittings, etc, etc, ...

    When banging one's racket on the floor, nobody cares if one damages one's own racket; But tournament organisers wouldn't want their floor and/or their court-mat to be damaged.

    These are just some reasons why laws are made.

    When BWF make the laws, don't expect them to explain why. Otherwise, our laws/rules book would run into thousands of pages.

    Also, laws are usually recommended by experienced/long-time officials who have witnessed bad accidents/damages that have happened in the past.
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    I agree, but I am talking about just tossing a racket up. Not throwing it wildly with no aim. If any player has done what you've described, or what the bwf considers as a law, by all means, I think the player should be suspended or even a card. Although, to be, wouldn't throwing rackets and shoes be considered hazardous to players as well? Why don't they enforce that then? Actually that would be really funny to see :P Imagine LD rewarded with a suspension after celebrating a win against LCW cause he threw his shoes into the crowd haha.
    Anyhow, I just don't see how a swipe to the air should be rewarded with a card, yet a toss of a racket in the air not hitting the ceiling, maybe just 2 meters in the air gets nothing. To me it's the same thing lol

    My point is, a simple racket toss up in the air or a swipe at
    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    I think many BCers have not thought deep enough the reasons why law-makers at BWF make certain laws.

    When tossing a racket high up in the air, it could;
    * cause accident to players, umpires, line-judges and even spectators if thrown up without due care.
    * cause damage to the ceiling, light-fittings, etc, etc, ...

    When banging one's racket on the floor, nobody cares if one damages one's own racket; But tournament organisers wouldn't want their floor and/or their court-mat to be damaged.

    These are just some reasons why laws are made.

    When BWF make the laws, don't expect them to explain why. Otherwise, our laws/rules book would run into thousands of pages.

    Also, laws are usually recommended by experienced/long-time officials who have witnessed bad accidents/damages that have happened in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JukUx View Post
    I agree, but I am talking about just tossing a racket up. Not throwing it wildly with no aim. If any player has done what you've described, or what the bwf considers as a law, by all means, I think the player should be suspended or even a card. Although, to be, wouldn't throwing rackets and shoes be considered hazardous to players as well? Why don't they enforce that then? Actually that would be really funny to see :P Imagine LD rewarded with a suspension after celebrating a win against LCW cause he threw his shoes into the crowd haha.
    Anyhow, I just don't see how a swipe to the air should be rewarded with a card, yet a toss of a racket in the air not hitting the ceiling, maybe just 2 meters in the air gets nothing. To me it's the same thing lol

    My point is, a simple racket toss up in the air or a swipe at

    They do that cause it feels unsportsmanlike and they do not present themselves as a role model that way. Players on the court must act responsible and like a role model to others. You do not want to see your role model getting upset and breaking things on court.

    Yes, throwing up the racket does push it, but these are the rules that we have to enforce as umpires. And throwing up the racket can be dangerous if one fails to catch it or what not.

    And you can get a warning for fist pumping while staring at your opponent

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    ^^ Fist pump? Yep, like what Jongjit/Issara did to Ko/Yoo several times in the 2012 India Open md finals.

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