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    Quote Originally Posted by tranqq View Post
    you're saying they already use that system? why is china worried about injuries then?
    Cheung said it correctly: China may choose a different training regiment if they want to prevent more injuries and/or play in just 10-11 tournaments. Nobody prevents them from doing those things...

    The 'best 10 tournament results' have been in place for a long time. Go to the BWF website to find out. http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14915
    Go to section 1B, appendix 6.
    5. Ranking
    5.1 World Ranking - 10 or fewer World Ranking tournaments in the last 52 weeks
    If a player or pair has competed in the same event at 10 or fewer World Ranking tournaments then the ranking is worked out by adding the points won at the tournaments.
    5.2 World Ranking - 11 or more World Ranking tournaments in the last 52 weeks
    If a player or pair has competed in the same event at 11 or more World Ranking tournaments, only the 10 highest points scored in the tournaments during the previous 52 week period count towards their ranking.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    I don't agree that smaller countries should not be able to hold a SS event.

    Look at F1 - Monaco grand prix sticks out.
    Hehehe, F1's Monaco GP is effectively France's tournament, like badminton's Bittburger Luxemburg Open Gold GP is effectively another one of Germany's tournament. And France + Germany are relatively big countries with 60-80 million people.

    Look, F1 has 20 tournaments spread quite nicely all over the globe:
    7 in Western Europe (Britain, Germany, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Monaco etc.)
    3 in South and Southeast Asia (India, Malaysia, Singapore)
    3 in East Asia (China, Japan, Korea)
    2 in Middle East/Africa (UAE, Bahrain)
    2 in North America (Canada, USA)
    1 in South America (Brazil)
    1 in Oceania (Australia)
    1 in Central-East Europe (Hungary)
    Look how they have covered the BIG areas [and population] of the Earth: China, India, USA, Brazil, Australia, Western Europe, blabla...

    Our badminton PSS and SS only covered:
    3 in Western Europe (England, France, Denmark)
    4 in South and Southeast Asia (India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore)
    5 in East Asia (China Open, Japan, Korea, China Masters, Hong Kong)
    The ones I underline are Premier SS... The ones I color in red are Gold GP material [Hong Kong and Singapore] and Invitational material [China Masters like Copenhagen Masters]; heck, give China another Gold GP or something, not another SS...

    Ideally:
    3 in Western Europe (England, France, Denmark)
    3 in South and Southeast Asia (India, Indonesia, Malaysia)
    3 in East Asia (Japan, China, Korea)
    2 in Middle East/Africa (Nigeria, South Africa)
    1 in North America (USA)
    1 in South America (Brazil)
    1 in Oceania (Australia)
    1 in Central-East Europe (Russia)
    There 5 PSS and 10 SS One day if I have the time to run for the BWF presidency and I will push this.... Oh, and I believe, in 20 years, the European balance of power will shift to Russia from Denmark. We shall see......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post

    Ideally:
    3 in Western Europe (England, France, Denmark)
    3 in South and Southeast Asia (India, Indonesia, Malaysia)
    3 in East Asia (Japan, China, Korea)
    2 in Middle East/Africa (Nigeria, South Africa)
    1 in North America (USA)
    1 in South America (Brazil)
    1 in Oceania (Australia)
    1 in Central-East Europe (Russia)
    There 5 PSS and 10 SS One day if I have the time to run for the BWF presidency and I will push this....
    That sounds like a good idea. But how do u attract sponsors, spectators and world-class players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    That sounds like a good idea. But how do u attract sponsors, spectators and world-class players?
    One step at a time... I'm experimenting with various ways to improve badminton's popularity and stature in my region and nationally [in Indonesia]. The cycle goes like this:
    1. more popularity for badminton due to brand associations with the pop culture, marketing+PR activation campaigns, noticeable star power of the players, at least 'some' winning results, and engaging conversation with fans [mainly in digital form] lead to...
    2. more spectators [live events and televised TV/internet broadcasts], more fan involvements, more recreational players lead to...
    3. more motivated sponsors lead to...
    4. more money for players lead to...
    5. more parents all over the world supporting their kids in choosing badminton as a career lead to...
    6. more talented athletes from previously non-traditional badminton powerhouses [one day we shall see well-liked badminton stars from Brazil, Russia, and the US] lead to...
    7. more popularity for badminton... the cycle goes back to number 1 but the sport will be healthier every time the cycle is completed.

    In case some of the readers are wondering..... of course I know badminton infrastructure, governments support, balanced competition, coaching standardization and upgrades, healthy club proliferation [in the absence of massive government support like in China], establishment of more centers of excellence [can be government-funded or privately funded], etc. etc. will ALL add to the cycle I wrote above... and the mismanagement of some things [like balanced competition] will stifle the sports growth. I just think the red cycle I wrote above are the way forward for badminton. Managing the popularity of badminton is the engine starter for the rest of the cycle to flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    That sounds like a good idea. But how do u attract sponsors, spectators and world-class players?
    Like Krisna mentioned in the above post, INA has been the pioneer in trying to make badminton more attractive to spectators. Expect lots of fireworks for the INA SSP this year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    One step at a time... I'm experimenting with various ways to improve badminton's popularity and stature in my region and nationally [in Indonesia]. The cycle goes like this:
    1. more popularity for badminton due to brand associations with the pop culture, marketing+PR activation campaigns, noticeable star power of the players, at least 'some' winning results, and engaging conversation with fans [mainly in digital form] lead to...
    2. more spectators [live events and televised TV/internet broadcasts], more fan involvements, more recreational players lead to...
    3. more motivated sponsors lead to...
    4. more money for players lead to...
    5. more parents all over the world supporting their kids in choosing badminton as a career lead to...
    6. more talented athletes from previously non-traditional badminton powerhouses [one day we shall see well-liked badminton stars from Brazil, Russia, and the US] lead to...
    7. more popularity for badminton... the cycle goes back to number 1 but the sport will be healthier every time the cycle is completed.

    In case some of the readers are wondering..... of course I know badminton infrastructure, governments support, balanced competition, coaching standardization and upgrades, healthy club proliferation [in the absence of massive government support like in China], establishment of more centers of excellence [can be government-funded or privately funded], etc. etc. will ALL add to the cycle I wrote above... and the mismanagement of some things [like balanced competition] will stifle the sports growth. I just think the red cycle I wrote above are the way forward for badminton. Managing the popularity of badminton is the engine starter for the rest of the cycle to flow.
    Promoting badminton around the world is no easy task. someone here mentioned about getting Lady Gaga to play badminton. i think that's a cool idea. i think having a group of idols or Hollywood stars play badminton would be very cool. Making a movie about badminton may also work.

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    Default badminton is not that popular in China

    It may gained some popularity in recent years because of Lin Dan and other Chinese badminton stars and recent economic success. but it's still far less popular than basketball, pingpong, soccer and do not forget tennis may surpass badminton because of Li Na's success.

    Popularity of badminton in China may be more important than in other countries because of the size and economy of China.

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    So for point no.1, more SS tournaments are advantageous as we would like a greater spread of winners from different countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    Promoting badminton around the world is no easy task. someone here mentioned about getting Lady Gaga to play badminton. i think that's a cool idea. i think having a group of idols or Hollywood stars play badminton would be very cool. Making a movie about badminton may also work.
    This has been done in INA, as mentioned by Krisna. We have the movie "King", which was inspired by the story of Liem Swie King. There have also been pop artists appearance in the INA SSP and more will be done this year. Not to mention, not only Djarum (as the title sponsor) will be heavily involved...I heard there will also be even more brands involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Like Krisna mentioned in the above post, INA has been the pioneer in trying to make badminton more attractive to spectators. Expect lots of fireworks for the INA SSP this year!
    Ideally as I've said before, professional players, especially those without much sponsor support, should be compensated at least for basic expenses when they compete overseas, even when they lost in R1. An additional pocket allowance will provide further incentive. Attractive prize monies will motivate them to train harder and perform better.

    So in the end, everybody benefits. Professional players can make an honest living and fans get to watch world class performances. Sponsors are happy with good attendances and worldwide media coverage and more sports enthusiasts will be drawn to the game. It will snowball into a multiplier effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    Promoting badminton around the world is no easy task. someone here mentioned about getting Lady Gaga to play badminton. i think that's a cool idea. i think having a group of idols or Hollywood stars play badminton would be very cool. Making a movie about badminton may also work.
    Hey, I like that idea! Lady Gaga playing badminton. Awesome! In Indonesia, every year at least 4-6 famous Indonesian stars play badminton in the warming up events leading to INA Open. This year, we expect 10 to 20 Indonesian pop-stars appearing in the INA Open to beef up attention of the show. The other countries should do the same. If All England involve their top British stars and Korea Open bring in their top Korean star, it will be awesome... but they didn't do enough this year [even after Indonesia showed the way last year]...

    In the 2008 Olympics, Bill Gates was caught on camera watching Olympic badminton. That received a lot of huraaahh... In Russia, badminton got a lot of attention because President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin played badminton on TV. You can youtube it... just type Medvedev Putin badminton...

    Quote Originally Posted by laonong View Post
    It may gained some popularity in recent years because of Lin Dan and other Chinese badminton stars and recent economic success. but it's still far less popular than basketball, pingpong, soccer and do not forget tennis may surpass badminton because of Li Na's success.

    Popularity of badminton in China may be more important than in other countries because of the size and economy of China.
    I heard that too..... In the USA, Justin Bieber played in the NBA all-star... that was cool for basketball...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    So for point no.1, more SS tournaments are advantageous as we would like a greater spread of winners from different countries.


    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    This has been done in INA, as mentioned by Krisna. We have the movie "King", which was inspired by the story of Liem Swie King. There have also been pop artists appearance in the INA SSP and more will be done this year. Not to mention, not only Djarum (as the title sponsor) will be heavily involved...I heard there will also be even more brands involvement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Ideally as I've said before, professional players, especially those without much sponsor support, should be compensated at least for basic expenses when they compete overseas, even when they lost in R1. An additional pocket allowance will provide further incentive. Attractive prize monies will motivate them to train harder and perform better.

    So in the end, everybody benefits. Professional players can make an honest living and fans get to watch world class performances. Sponsors are happy with good attendances and worldwide media coverage and more sports enthusiasts will be drawn to the game. It will snowball into a multiplier effect.
    Precisely, loh... Hey, will you visit Jakarta again this year during INA Open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    In Russia, badminton got a lot of attention because President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin played badminton on TV. You can youtube it... just type Medvedev Putin badminton...
    "Attention" yeah but not the positive kind (from the public anyway). I don't know if "Bill Gates watches and likes badminton" sends out the "right" image either (nor freakazoid Gaga -> Badminton: all the geeks and freaks do it ). But if it bring Silicon Valley $$$ along with it it's a different matter .
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    The bottom line how to make badminton is an career...Also regarding no prize money in 1st round, I heard while ago that manyntop players prefer more money...that's why no money for 1st round loser...

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    Hey Krisna, INA Open sounds attractive to overseas BC members especially if some incentives are laid out before them ... Haha

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    The problem with other countries is that the sponsors are most likely not passionate enough about badminton and make it an event to remember. Most of them just provide sponsorship just for the sake of having a badminton event in a particular country, but they don't really spend the time or effort to bring badminton to the public, which I believe is one factor that will spark badminton's popularity.

    Forgive me for saying this, but the HKG SS has been a pretty dull event with minimum publicity and virtually zero participation from the entertainment sector here, despite the fact that many artists do play badminton leisurely. Even the free-TV (TVB) only broadcasts the MS & WS Final typically.

    So, the key is PASSION! In my opinion, no sponsor is as passionate as Djarum in trying to make a badminton event as lively as possible. Maybank/Proton and Aviva come close and I applaud their effort in that!

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    OSIM, as the title sponsor of BWF SS, should also do more, instead of providing mere sponsorship!

    Andy Lau and Joey Yung (two of the most famous singers) are the spokesperson for OSIM. Imagine if they are to be present during the HKG SS, just a couple of hours each for 1 day. It will do the event a lot of goodwill and bring more young people to watch the celebrities and know about badminton!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    OSIM, as the title sponsor of BWF SS, should also do more, instead of providing mere sponsorship!

    Andy Lau and Joey Yung (two of the most famous singers) are the spokesperson for OSIM. Imagine if they are to be present during the HKG SS, just a couple of hours each for 1 day. It will do the event a lot of goodwill and bring more young people to watch the celebrities and know about badminton!
    Andy Lau will charge OSIM a fee of HK$50,000 just for showing up! haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    OSIM, as the title sponsor of BWF SS, should also do more, instead of providing mere sponsorship!

    Andy Lau and Joey Yung (two of the most famous singers) are the spokesperson for OSIM. Imagine if they are to be present during the HKG SS, just a couple of hours each for 1 day. It will do the event a lot of goodwill and bring more young people to watch the celebrities and know about badminton!
    What? They have Andy Lau and Joey Yung yet they did nothing?!?!?!? I'm baffled. If I were OSIM, I will arrange a XD match: Lin Dan+Joey Yung vs. Andy Lau+Wang Shixian as a promotinal event!

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