LEE chongwei and CHEN long will be in the same top half of the draw

[sportstar]

In fact lcw will be placed at Group A of Top Half, LD will be placed at Group P of Bottom Half
And CL will be placed at Group E of Top Half,CJ will be placed at Group L of Bottom Half


lcw and cl will be in the same top half of the draw.
ld and cj will be in the same bottom half of the draw.



Because

Read this file in BWF website
Part_III_Section_6B_-_Olympics_-_Regulations_for_competition_changes_made__24_apri l.pdf
http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=347510&tid=1


a) Seed No. 1 placed at the top of Group A
b) Seed No. 2 placed at the top of Group P
so lcw will be placed at Group A ,ld will be placed at Group P

c) No. 3 and 4 drawn by lot at the top of Groups E and L.
read 4.1



4.1. Entries from any one NOC shall be drawn as follows:

4.1.1. the first and second ranked entries by lot in opposite halves of the draw
so LD and CL will be in opposite halves of the draw
so .................

[AlanY]

no, LCW has a 50/50 chance to be in the same half as CL.

related posts;

Further to what I've said, please refer to section 4.1 (especially 4.1.1) of this document

http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...id=41436&tid=1

The rule does confirm that if LD, CL, and CJ all go to the Olympics, CL is guarantee to be in same half as LCW.

I've asked and confirmed by a bwf umpire that in the case of China now, MS2 & MS3 will be in a draw to decide

You are correct...CL can fall into LD or LCW....

[AlanY]

that may not be the exact wording of the regulations but definitely to the spirit of them.

the whole idea is to stop countries with multiple qualifiers to position themselves in the draws to their advantage.

[sportstar]

Do you read this file?
Part_III_Section_6B_-_Olympics_-_Regulations_for_competition_changes_made__24_apri l.pdf
http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=347510&tid=1


website:
http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14900
Read more on Regulations Badminton competiton updated 24 April 2012


4.1. Entries from any one NOC shall be drawn as follows:

4.1.1. the first and second ranked entries by lot in opposite halves of the draw

[AlanY]

of course i have, as i said that been confirmed by a bwf umpire and rudy as well, which is just as good.

if you follow the wording exactly we would have the No 1 and 2 seeds meet in the MS SF, again im sure not in the spirit of the reg.
my guess is at the beginning they didnt expect any NOC could have more than 2 players qualify for the singles.
and China done it twice in both men and women singles.

[sportstar]

of course i have, as i said that been confirmed by a bwf umpire and rudy as well, which is just as good.

if you follow the wording exactly we would have the No 1 and 2 seeds meet in the MS SF, again im sure not in the spirit of the reg.
my guess is at the beginning they didnt expect any NOC could have more than 2 players qualify for the singles.
and China done it twice in both men and women singles.

You and that BWF umpire who you asked didn't understand regulation correctly.
the No 1 and 2 seeds meet in the SF that will not happen even if one NOC have 3 entries.

for example
ws draw
seed No.1 and No.2 are both Chinese team players.
they are the first and second ranked entries of China NOC
According to

Part_III_Section_6B_-_Olympics_-_Regulations_for_competition_changes_made__24_apri l.pdf
http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=347510&tid=1


a) Seed No. 1 placed at the top of Group A
b) Seed No. 2 placed at the top of Group P
4.1. Entries from any one NOC shall be drawn as follows:

4.1.1. the first and second ranked entries by lot in opposite halves of the draw.

Seed No.1 will be placed at Group A of top half
Seed No.2 will be placed at Group P of bottom half
They are in opposite halves of the draw.

No. 3 and No.4 Saina NEHWAL will draw by lot at the top of Groups E and L.



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MS draw is different with ws draw.
Seed NO.1 LEE chongwei and No.2 LIN dan come from different NOC.
This is different with ws

According to

a) Seed No. 1 placed at the top of Group A

b) Seed No. 2 placed at the top of Group P

LEE chongwei will be in group A of top half.
LIN dan will be in group P of bottom half.
Their positions has been confirmed. remember this


Seed No.2 lindan and seed No.3 chenlong both come from China NOC.
they are the first and second ranked entries of China NOC.

According to

4.1.1. the first and second ranked entries by lot in opposite halves of the draw.

Chen long will be placed at the opposite half to lindan's position.
Chen long can only be placed at top half because lindan's position has been confirmed[read "remember this"].


And according to

c) No. 3 and 4 drawn by lot at the top of Groups E and L.

Group L is at the bottom half.
So Chen long can only be placed at Groups E of top half.


Chen jin can only be placed at Groups L because the position of seed No.3 has been confirmed.

[SolsticeOfLight]

First and second rank belong to LCW and LD ... I don't understand how you're managing to squeeze 3 people into 2 places ...

[sportstar]

First and second rank belong to LCW and LD ... I don't understand how you're managing to squeeze 3 people into 2 places ...

4.1. Entries from any one NOC shall be drawn as follows:

4.1.1. the first and second ranked entries by lot in opposite halves of the draw


red words

[sportstar]

Li yongbo has confirmed this draw.
He said "chen long will meet in sf with lee chongwei."
news in april 18
http://news.xinhuanet.com/sports/201..._122996290.htm

[craigandy]

4.1.3. the ranking of entries from an NOC can be amended by the seeding. If this is done a new ranking order is implicitly established and should be used for the purposes of Regulation 4.1

What i understand of this is lin dan is amending the ranking of his country as his seeding of 2 means he has to stay in bottom half of draw at bottom. The amended ranking for his countrymen who are left is Chen long rank 1 and Chen Jin rank 2. Now go back to regulation 4.1 to see what to do with them
4.1.1. the first (chen long)and second(chen jin) ranked entries by lot in opposite halves of the draw;

By lot means drawn out of a hat basically so either chen long or chen jin could be up against LCW in semi. But they will be in opposite side of the draw.

Although to look at it in another way - the rules are so badly written 4.1.2. the third ranked entry by lot in one of the two remaining quarters / groups
You can only qualify 3 of same NOC if they are all in the top 4 so an amendment will always be done, in effect there will never be a 3rd ranked player from a NOC.
The other problem with 4.1.2 is if I have misinterpreted rule 4.1.3 and simply as it says an NOC'S rank 1 and 2 on opposite sides of the draw then that only leaves 1 quarter for noc rank 3 to go in so - the third ranked entry by lot in one of the two remaining quarters makes no sense
Either way rule 4.1.2 needs to be addressed

[ctjcad]

originally i thought the setup would be the regular/standard 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 (semis scenario)..
but now after reading the wordings in the BWF regulation, it does make sense in having LCW and CL in the same half...

..although what were told by Hauge and overheard by AlanY make it even more confusing..?

Either that, or the BWF folks were confused and/or didn't know what they were thinking/writing when they wrote the rule..?

[kwun]

originally i thought the setup would be the regular/standard 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 (semis scenario)..
but now after reading the wordings in the BWF regulation, it does make sense in having LCW and CL in the same half...

..although what were told by Hauge and overheard by AlanY make it even more confusing..?

Either that, or the BWF folks were confused and/or didn't know what they were thinking/writing when they wrote the rule..?

BWF don't have 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 rule.

the rule says 1 and 2 are in different halves, 3 and 4 are drawn into the remaining quarters "by lots" (randomly). same for the 5-8 seeds. that's why you see seeds are refered to as 3/4 seeds and 5/8.

[ctjcad]

BWF don't have 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 rule.

the rule says 1 and 2 are in different halves, 3 and 4 are drawn into the remaining quarters "by lots" (randomly). same for the 5-8 seeds. that's why you see seeds are refered to as 3/4 seeds and 5/8.

yah, i figured that..
but after reading the BWF ruling abt having the top 2 ranked players from the same national team being put in different halves, then it's pretty much clear, it will be LCW vs. CL in the Semis if they reach that far..

[craigandy]

yah, i figured that..
but after reading the BWF ruling abt having the top 2 ranked players from the same national team being put in different halves, then it's pretty much clear, it will be LCW vs. CL in the Semis if they reach that far..

If this is True and Lin Dan and Chen long are rank 1 & 2(no amendment made) that means Chen Jin is country rank 3 yes. The rules state 3rd rank from NOC is drawn by lot so if what you are saying is true, chen Jin could be in same half with Chen long and LCW.

[eaglehelang]

As I understand it, from the 2008 OG, it was 1st and 2nd seed on opposite halves. Then 3rd & 4th seeds draw lots. In 2008 China also had 3 MS in top 4. So it could either be Chen Long or Chen Jin.
If 3rd or 4th seed are Chen Long and PG(or any players from other countries), then yeah, CL has to be different half of the draw than LD. Now both are China, there are only 2 halves, so naturally there will be 2 China MS in one half, just like 2008

[laonong]

This looks possible. Is it possible that LCW will have play both chen jin and chen long ?

[kwun]

Li yongbo has confirmed this draw.
He said "chen long will meet in sf with lee chongwei."
news in april 18
http://news.xinhuanet.com/sports/201..._122996290.htm

let's hope LYB didn't mis-interpret the rules. otherwise, i cannot imagine the fit he will throw when he realize it.