Which Chinese WS players will go to Olympics?

**SibugiChai** · 06-24-2012, 11:19 AM

this is more kang chiong than waiting for og12

**repentedboy** · 06-24-2012, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Justin L

Maybe you prefer WSX over WX for consistency reason? But since the OG starts with a group stage format, not elimination, WX's problem isn't that serious, perhaps?

Put it this way, if WSX steps up her game and do not perform like a noob, she can actually make it to the semi (it's true) and furthermore she will not lose any low-ranked player.

WX is a funny one. Even if she played the right game and attacking play, she still loses anyone in the early round. You will never understand why it happens. Maybe it's just WX.

When i say early round elimination in London, i mean round 2/ quarterfinal where she might potentially end up facing Cheng Shao Chieh/Taiphoon/Bae Younjoo/Sung Jihyun. I dont like the current h2h she had recently with these players.

Think about it if WSX is against these players. I reckon she has better chance.

**repentedboy** · 06-24-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by pcll99

WX has not lost ONE SINGLE match in her entire career against a foreign opponent in a major tournament during an elimination round (eg, WC, Uber, Sudirman, Asian Games, SS Finals), that is not including PSS/SS/GPG events.

Depends on the draw actually...usually the first or second seed will get a decent draw. WYH when seeded second had the easiest draw in London 2011. She only needed to beat PHY and Ratchanok to guarantee a place in semifinal.

WSX as first seed was harder. She had to face CSC and then Schenk. The outcome of the draw will favour either WYH or the second seeded player (to be determined yet)

**repentedboy** · 06-24-2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by repentedboy

Depends on the draw actually...usually the first or second seed will get a decent draw. WYH when seeded second had the easiest draw in London 2011. She only needed to beat PHY and Ratchanok to guarantee a place in semifinal.

WSX as first seed was harder. She had to face CSC and then Schenk. The outcome of the draw will favour either WYH or the second seeded player (to be determined yet)

usually that's the case. Like Lin Dan as the first seed back in Athens 2004. His draw was actually the easiest of all. He only needed to beat Ronald Susilo and then he would have moved on to face Taufik in the semifinal.

He didnt make use of that opportunity

**Justin L** · 06-25-2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by repentedboy

usually that's the case. Like Lin Dan as the first seed back in Athens 2004. His draw was actually the easiest of all. He only needed to beat Ronald Susilo and then he would have moved on to face Taufik in the semifinal.

He didnt make use of that opportunity

In the Athens 2004 OG, Ronald Susilo ,when asked about how he won that match ,said "Lin Dan was too eager to win" as the reason for his loss. Who would have thought the final was contested by the unseeded Taufik,the eventual winner, and the unfancied Shon Seung Mo. Indeed,the once-in-four-years world event can produce totally unexpected results. Even in the Beijing 2008 OG, Lin Dan's commanding straight-sets victory all the way to the final when he thrashed Lee CW 21-12 and 21-8 was an awesome display of scintillating,attacking badminton never seen before.

**extremenanopowe** · 06-25-2012, 08:45 AM

The selector should go by merit. Easy. No need to discriminate those who work their arse.. off.

**repentedboy** · 06-25-2012, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by extremenanopowe

The selector should go by merit. Easy. No need to discriminate those who work their arse.. off.

If you base your selection on merit then it's simple, Wang Xin does not deserve to go if it wasn't for her excellent record against Baun.

Since January, she has only managed to reach one final that is the MO and has been crashing out in the first/second round in almost every tournament.

To me, it should be LXR to protect WYH and safely see her through to the gold medal match

WSX on the other half, trying her best to fight off her opponents.

That should be ideal strategy. To be honest, putting WX alone in one half is indeed a bad idea.

**pjswift** · 06-25-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Justin L

In the Athens 2004 OG, Ronald Susilo ,when asked about how he won that match ,said "Lin Dan was too eager to win" as the reason for his loss. Who would have thought the final was contested by the unseeded Taufik,the eventual winner, and the unfancied Shon Seung Mo. Indeed,the once-in-four-years world event can produce totally unexpected results. Even in the Beijing 2008 OG, Lin Dan's commanding straight-sets victory all the way to the final when he thrashed Lee CW 21-12 and 21-8 was an awesome display of scintillating,attacking badminton never seen before.

Actually, it s likely to be the lack of crowd support. Athens is dead town for badminton. ChN fans gotta work so none turned up for Round 1. And Susilo was in top form mentally because he had a sports psychologist worked with him pre-Olympics. In Beijing, the crowd was full house behind LD. Have you looked at LD pattern of exits? Round 1, 2, QF. No CHN fan support. Semi and finals usually safe. If his opponent is strong and just gets some support, LD s in trouble. The guy requires a circus to perform well.

**yamsyams** · 06-25-2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by pjswift

Actually, it s likely to be the lack of crowd support. Athens is dead town for badminton. ChN fans gotta work so none turned up for Round 1. And Susilo was in top form mentally because he had a sports psychologist worked with him pre-Olympics. In Beijing, the crowd was full house behind LD. Have you looked at LD pattern of exits? Round 1, 2, QF. No CHN fan support. Semi and finals usually safe. If his opponent is strong and just gets some support, LD s in trouble. The guy requires a circus to perform well.

Please remind me where the 2010 TC was held and who he beat convincingly in the SF, against the crowd.

**Justin L** · 06-25-2012, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by pjswift

Actually, it s likely to be the lack of crowd support. Athens is dead town for badminton. ChN fans gotta work so none turned up for Round 1. And Susilo was in top form mentally because he had a sports psychologist worked with him pre-Olympics. In Beijing, the crowd was full house behind LD. Have you looked at LD pattern of exits? Round 1, 2, QF. No CHN fan support. Semi and finals usually safe. If his opponent is strong and just gets some support, LD s in trouble. The guy requires a circus to perform well.

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Unlike you,pjswift,who is still unrepentant,remorseless... I'd much appreciate that you don't talk to me directly or indirectly as I don't wish to associate with the likes of you. Thanks,but no thanks.

**OneToughBirdie** · 06-25-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by repentedboy

If you base your selection on merit then it's simple, Wang Xin does not deserve to go if it wasn't for her excellent record against Baun.

Since January, she has only managed to reach one final that is the MO and has been crashing out in the first/second round in almost every tournament.

To me, it should be LXR to protect WYH and safely see her through to the gold medal match

WSX on the other half, trying her best to fight off her opponents.

That should be ideal strategy. To be honest, putting WX alone in one half is indeed a bad idea.

At her best, WX is unbeatable, a nightmare to non-CHN players but she does has her moments, not consistent and vulnerable, I agree. But how do you know, when OLY12 draw has not even been made, that LXR will be in WYH half, or do you know something, absolutely confirm information, that we ordinary folks are not privy to? All we know, is WYH and WX would be opposite half, everything else is no the table.

**pcll99** · 06-25-2012, 10:27 AM

the draw will be conducted on 23 July (at 10am London time).

This is how the draw will be conducted:

http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=347510&tid=1

"3.3.3. Draw
Singles:
3.3.3.1. The seeded players shall be placed at top of each group as follows:
a) No. 1 placed at the top of Group A
b) No. 2 placed at the top of Group P
c) No. 3 and 4 drawn by lot at the top of Groups E and L.
d) No. 5 to 8 drawn by lot at the top of Group C, G, J and N.
e) No. 9 to 16 drawn by lot at the top of the remaining groups.
3.3.3.2. The remaining players shall be drawn in groups as follows:
a) 16 players in step 5 shall be drawn by lot with one player into each of the 16 groups.
b) The remaining players shall be distributed in groups by lot in a step by step manner in the serial order until all players in the draw are placed (Step 6 to 8)."

**repentedboy** · 06-25-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

At her best, WX is unbeatable, a nightmare to non-CHN players but she does has her moments, not consistent and vulnerable, I agree. But how do you know, when OLY12 draw has not even been made, that LXR will be in WYH half, or do you know something, absolutely confirm information, that we ordinary folks are not privy to? All we know, is WYH and WX would be opposite half, everything else is no the table.

It would be the ideal strategy in my opinion. I really hope WX stepped up her game because she will face the koreans/taiphoon/CSC again in the second round or the quarterfinal according to the seeding order.

She might not even have a chance to meet Baun if she cant even overcome these lower-ranked players. It will be disastrous to see her knocked out that early plus a big blow to China's hopes.

I think WSX can handle the pressure as the second seed and knock these lower ranked players out at her best. Just that her skills are really sh!t at the moment

**OneToughBirdie** · 06-25-2012, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by repentedboy

It would be the ideal strategy in my opinion. I really hope WX stepped up her game because she will face the koreans/taiphoon/CSC again in the second round or the quarterfinal according to the seeding order.

She might not even have a chance to meet Baun if she cant even overcome these lower-ranked players. It will be disastrous to see her knocked out that early plus a big blow to China's hopes.

I think WSX can handle the pressure as the second seed and knock these lower ranked players out at her best. Just that her skills are really sh!t at the moment

I really would like to see WX take the gold and retire on top, but that is big time gamble like playing speculative stock to bet on. If WX play her best baddy, the path to final is quite open if she does not have LXR in her half. Let LXR-WYH eliminate each other, and WX can steal a win, big maybe. But that is high hope as I am doubtful WX can pull it of to go to final, my thinking she will gets KO.

**OneToughBirdie** · 06-25-2012, 07:42 PM

I just enter the poll and I select WYH-WX-LXR to represent CHN WS. I can't help but notice someone select WX-WSX-LXR, maybe this person is betting WYH gotta injured and pull out. Or maybe this person is a high roller in playing speculative stock, invest penny and hope the stock mushroom into big return.

**nokh88** · 06-25-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

I just enter the poll and I select WYH-WX-LXR to represent CHN WS. I can't help but notice someone select WX-WSX-LXR, maybe this person is betting WYH gotta injured and pull out. Or maybe this person is a high roller in playing speculative stock, invest penny and hope the stock mushroom into big return.

Maybe this person doesn't like WYH and it's definitely not me.

**huangkwokhau** · 06-25-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

I just enter the poll and I select WYH-WX-LXR to represent CHN WS. I can't help but notice someone select WX-WSX-LXR, maybe this person is betting WYH gotta injured and pull out. Or maybe this person is a high roller in playing speculative stock, invest penny and hope the stock mushroom into big return.

Been told that there is a chance that CBA may select WYH,WSX and LXR..either way...it is tough..but if CBA does selectetion based on INA Open...there you go!!