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    Quote Originally Posted by repentedboy View Post
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    For example, swimming has too many silly events which can actually be reduced to one.
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    USA's large percentage of the gold is won in swimming categories as if the IOC designed them intentionally for USA to top the group as always, leaving other countries to work extremely hard in other events to beat them in the medal tally. To me, USA is full of controversies and biases.
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    When CHN dominant in badminton we say that it's the other countries job to catch up, but how come America should be blame for dominating the swimming ??
    Quote Originally Posted by SolsticeOfLight View Post
    It's not blaming America; it's being confounded at the fact that 1 person can get 8 golds in a single olympics, whilst a badmintonner will have to play at olympic level for 13 years to match it.
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    It's crystal clear fact that Olympics is designed to be biased in favour of the USA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fidget View Post
    Regardless of the swimming controversy you folks have going on, there is no doubt that the Olympics is a fabrication of the Western world and very much favours them. It was set up by Europeans and gets the huge majority of its money from European sponsors.
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    ..Actually if one checks and studies the history of Swimming in the OG, yes, it was basically started by the Europeans (NOT the Aussies nor the Americans) & quite a lot of the other events were already established.
    In the earlier history of OG, the Brits won quite a bit and dominated the Swimming sport.
    As it continued, eventually the Americans and Aussies dominated the sport til the present day.
    The Americans basically started to dominate the event in the 1920 OG.
    But The 50mm event actually was started in 1988 (it was tried out in 1904), and believe it or not, since it was officially started in 1988, the U.S. has only won 3 out of the 6 times (Men's) and only once out of 6 times (Women's).

    So, going back to the mini-argument of why Americans suddenly can dominate the Swimming sport, it's sort of similar to what CHN team has done over the last decade or so in badminton (whilst quite a lot of the major individual & team championship badminton events were started/originated not by CHN)..
    Simply, both CHN and the U.S. took over and started to dominate each sport and they rightfully should be commended for their achievements..
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    Quote Originally Posted by repentedboy View Post
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    As an avid football fan, I still prefer to watch the World Cup and Euro Cup because they are the genuine major tournaments that reveal who is the best and who is not; not Olympics.
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    In badminton context, I say the same for Thomas Cup and World Championships >> Olympic badminton
    The reason why the Olympics hold that special treatment, from so many people, is simply because of its "rarity", as there's no other event in badminton which is played every 4 yrs.
    Same like the World Cup in futbol which is played every four yrs; adding the Olympics to the mix is probably a bit overkill.

    I would concur the T&UC and WC should be amongst the major events in badminton, but i would also add the SC (team event ) & AE to the mix..
    To an extent, i think badminton would do fine without the Olympics (if the IOC decides to shut it down in the future)..

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    The medal counts is unfair. Like Phelp swam 3 or 4 times in 200 IM, and he got a medal. Team sport like basketball and soccer, a whole team of over 12 or 20 people played way more than 3 or 4 matches, and ended up with only 1 medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    The reason why the Olympics hold that special treatment, from so many people, is simply because of its "rarity", as there's no other event in badminton which is played every 4 yrs.
    Same like the World Cup in futbol which is played every four yrs; adding the Olympics to the mix is probably a bit overkill.

    I would concur the T&UC and WC should be amongst the major events in badminton, but i would also add the SC (team event ) & AE to the mix..
    To an extent, i think badminton would do fine without the Olympics (if the IOC decides to shut it down in the future)..
    Badminton might be just fine with that, but not to INA for sure, coz badminton is the only sports that contributes gold medal for us in every Olympic since it start in 1992

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    Surmise to say, the 2 sports which probably a lot of people feel are being dominated by the Americans, baseball & softball, have been booted outta the Olympics as of this yr (for the reason of lacking support). Imagine if both are still being played..imagine the wrath being put on the U.S. in trying to hog more medals/Gold medals..

    *Btw, for baseball, Cuba has won more Gold than the U.S.

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    How many good national baseball teams are there?
    If there're only 3 or 4, then I could see it being dropped. If there are 16, then it should have stayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolsticeOfLight View Post
    How many good national baseball teams are there?
    If there're only 3 or 4, then I could see it being dropped. If there are 16, then it should have stayed.
    I think there are only about a handful (10ish). I remember watching some of the World Baseball Classic or whatever, and i remember only having 12 or even 16. But not enough of them could really compete.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    “Table tennis and badminton came into the Games in 1988 and 1992 respectively, so they haven’t been around so long and the Asian countries are completely dominant. If the United States dominated a sport in the same way that China has dominated table tennis they would kick it out of the Olympics. That is what they did with softball, and what they are talking about doing in the Winter Olympics with women’s [ice] hockey.”
    Along with the same lines, if they cut out Women's Ice Hockey from the Winter Olympics, it hurts Canadians more than the Americans, I'd say. You mostly lose an entire country from watching that event, and all the advertising it loses. Similarly, I don't believe it's so much culturally, but somewhat dependant. If the nation does well, money gets put in, promotes sport more/produces more champions. Flip side, nation doesn't do well, money isn't put in, etc etc. But if money was put in, and champions aren't produced, I can understand. But money isn't put in to begin with. How can you expect to produce champions in TT, Badminton and Handball, if your Sports Committee isn't committed? Cultural reasons aside, financial reasons play a bit part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drquick View Post
    I don't know your source but according to wikipedia, here is the list swimming events at Beijing Olympic.

    Freestyle
    50 m men women
    100 m men women
    200 m men women
    400 m men women
    800 m women
    1500 m men
    Backstroke
    100 m men women
    200 m men women
    Breaststroke
    100 m men women
    200 m men women
    Butterfly
    100 m men women
    200 m men women
    Individual medley
    200 m men women
    400 m men women
    Freestyle relay
    4×100 m men women
    4×200 m men women
    Medley relay
    4×100 m men women
    Marathon
    10 km men women

    And here is the medal table

    Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
    1 United States (USA) 12 9 10 31
    2 Australia (AUS) 6 6 8 20
    3 Great Britain (GBR) 2 2 2 6
    4 Japan (JPN) 2 0 3 5
    5 Germany (GER) 2 0 1 3
    6 Netherlands (NED) 2 0 0 2
    7 China (CHN) 1 3 2 6
    8 Zimbabwe (ZIM) 1 3 0 4
    9 France (FRA) 1 2 3 6
    10 Russia (RUS) 1 1 2 4
    11 Italy (ITA) 1 1 0 2
    South Korea (KOR) 1 1 0 2
    13 Brazil (BRA) 1 0 1 2
    14 Tunisia (TUN) 1 0 0 1
    15 Hungary (HUN) 0 3 0 3
    16 Norway (NOR) 0 1 1 2
    17 Slovenia (SLO) 0 1 0 1
    Serbia (SRB) 0 1 0 1
    19 Austria (AUT) 0 0 1 1
    Canada (CAN) 0 0 1 1
    Denmark (DEN) 0 0 1 1
    Total 34 34 36 104

    When CHN dominant in badminton we say that it's the other countries job to catch up, but how come America should be blame for dominating the swimming ??
    I do agree it's silly to have that many events for, technically "1 sport". I understand the subtle differences of different distances = different strategies = different sport or whatever, in the same lines that MIXED doubles is completely different than MEN's/WOMEN's doubles. but you could shorten it by having just a predetermined short and long distances, instead of 50-100m difference? Honestly, is there THAT much difference to justify 50m more?

    On the idea of making Badminton that way, to have a Badminton Olympian equal Phelp's record, you could have a new "MIXED" Doubles, men's doubles vs women's doubles?! And a new category marked as just half court singles, and half court doubles?! In addition with the team event, a player could earn 10 (MS/WS, MD/WD, XD, MXD, HC MS/WS, HC MD/WD, HC XD, HC MXD, Mixed Team, Men's/Women's Team) possible medals. This ensures that the sport remains the same (essentially), but the time it will take to finish the sport will stretch the entire duration of the Olympics or more. Not to mention the sheer exhaustion of having to play that many rounds and finals! I believe swimming only have a few heats, and because the amount of competition/heat, the category can move faster. It won't happen unless you see 5 or 6 court badminton, but where everyone is against everyone!

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