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    Quote Originally Posted by repentedboy View Post
    Some truths are quite hard to accept admittedly. His achievements are still not the best; just accept in black and white. Talent-wise actually it's hard to say. If Axelsen wins the Olympic gold, obviously people are going to claim he is the most talented player ever. Speaking of talent, that's a subjective metric; you will can claim whatever you like.

    We will find out sooner or later whether Taufik Hidayat deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because that's the only hall to remember Great Players. As far as I am concerned talent is not enough.

    Lin Dan, Lee Chong Wei and Peter Gade actually by right have already earn themselves a place in the Hall of Fame on the basis of their continuous contribution and commitment to train, work hard and do their best to produce good results in ANY tournament regardless of it being major or minor (especially the Super Series; the most important season that makes badminton popular nowadays).

    Talent-aside, Taufik's problems with the PBSIs and lack of commitment/passion to participate seriously in the SS tournaments in the last six years (that lapse of off form) and his habit of only to win the tournaments that he thinks matter to him only, most probably give the BWF judges to rethink about considering inducting him in the Hall of Fame.

    Just my opinion. I will find out soon enough after he retires.
    Wow..you are really amazing with your comments and you HATRED towards TAUFIK or other INDONESIAN PLAYERS.......i have no comment to all of your useless threads or comments...but just to laugh...but hey..your comment about putting LCW and Peter gade to Hall of Fame ahead of Taufik..wauw...i am truly speechless....they never won WC, OG or TC....(I havent said AG because Peter Gade is in Europe and he won the EC many times)..no disrespect to LCW and PG ( i admire them so much too)...but your comment is GARBAGE..all of them were or are..

    Just my OPINION ...

    @Mods - please delete this thread immediately

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    Oh my word! Such a hilarious thread!

    Let me transcribe the translated voice-over of Taufik's statement, right here.

    "Yes, if you tell about satisfaction, no one will ever be truly satisfied, but I'm always thankful because I've won all the major titles, like the SEA games, the Asia Games twice, the World Championships, the Olympics, and even the Thomas Cup. Also, I have triumphed at major tournaments like the Malaysia Oen and the Indonesia Open. The only title I have never won is the All England, but to me, the All England is like any other Super Series tournament. The only difference is in the name. So to me, I am always thankful because I have achieved a lot at all the major tournaments."

    OK now let's nitpick. Taufik, yes Taufik that guy who grew up writing essays in his native language, English, made the mortal mistake of saying "majors" (if the translation is accurate) without giving footnotes for exceptions. Execute him! He said AE is a SS; well, in essence it is still (and always was) at the same level as IO, MO, CO/CM blah blah. Anyone want to get into "subjective/objective" with me on this? Stay the execution! Well, maybe just half-execute him!

    Only trouble is, folks, our pal Taufik doesn't give a s**t about people's opinion, especially those who want to post-mortem his simple words. He is not a diplomat, nor is he the team manager or the team's PR guy, so he will say what he thinks, in broad strokes.

    The only people who care so deeply about what Taufik said in those 40 seconds, are those that need to create discord. He would dismiss them just like he's done the best players of 2 generations; with an exquisitely contemptuous backhand slap.

    My 2 cents. Don't mean to offend anyone. Don't mean to say anything that may cause anyone to slap me with a lawsuit or with threats of summary ejection from this forum. Don't give a damn if I do, either, actually! Because I'm just responding to an invitation by the Op.

    Mods: please do not shut down this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    You mean you call the shots just because you start a warped thread? You don t realise you and your partner have been attacking and defaming other players in your own style? You want a list of all the posts of you and your partner where you attack and defame other players? Both of you are relative newbies. Some BC history reading will do you both good.
    Sometimes, it takes a while before people show themselves for their true worth. You need to be patient. Else, how will you know if this is just another dog-and-pony show, or not?

    This time around, it has taken much longer than the "other" time around. But that is understandable, given that the stakes are higher as we near the critical time period.

    Maybe, finally, this thread is really about people's attitude toward Taufik Hidayat. Very soon he may be called "that Hidayat" by some, just like Saina is now called "that Nehwal" by some. Just reflective of attitude, IMO.

    Talking about "attitude" toward a certain Open, what's worse in your opinion: showing up and playing your heart out for a decade, or doing a brazen no-show or withdrawing your entire frontline team as was done recently by a certain association at a certain SS Open, including those players who would not be at the LOG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh185008 View Post
    Wow..you are really amazing with your comments and you HATRED towards TAUFIK or other INDONESIAN PLAYERS.......i have no comment to all of your useless threads or comments...but just to laugh...but hey..your comment about putting LCW and Peter gade to Hall of Fame ahead of Taufik..wauw...i am truly speechless....they never won WC, OG or TC....(I havent said AG because Peter Gade is in Europe and he won the EC many times)..no disrespect to LCW and PG ( i admire them so much too)...but your comment is GARBAGE..all of them were or are..

    Just my OPINION ...

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    Well we find out whether he gets into the Hall of Fame to see whose comment is garbage or not. I am just waiting to see what the Judges think after he retires.

    Btw, Poul Erik Hyor Larsen (Gold Medallist 1996), Alan Budikusuma (Gold Medallist 1992), Ji Xinpeng (Gold Medallist 2000) are not in the Hall of Fame.

    Also, Liem Swie King is in the Hall Of Fame; his achievement is the same as Lee Chong Wei; no WC and OG but one of the most successful players in the tournament circuit.

    Winning OG and WC doesnt guarantee a place in the Hall of Fame. You gotta do more than that.

    Lin Dan has done enough needless to say. Lee Chong Wei proved and tried so hard to win 42 titles overall. Peter Gade has stayed as long as he could and he still finish as semifinalists for his age.

    To me, that's more than enough :P. OG and WC are not everything. Dont be muddleheaded :P
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    For what is worth, I remember in an interview during the 100th AE, LD was being asked whether he felt anything special about it being the 100th AE, and whether he would play extra hard trying to win it. LDs reply was, something like, No, this is just another tournament to me, and I will play it the same as any other tournament I participate in.

    I believe the interviewer was a bit surprised at LDs answer!

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    If i recall, only LCW and LD can brag about the number of non-major titles (if one strips away the AE, WC, OG & AG titles) they've won in comparison to Taufik. Remember, out of the three, Taufik played over a longer career span but he only showed his true brilliance & playing all out in maybe a total of 5-6 of those yrs..And all 3 of them are about the same age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekong View Post
    For what is worth, I remember in an interview during the 100th AE, LD was being asked whether he felt anything special about it being the 100th AE, and whether he would play extra hard trying to win it. LD’s reply was, something like, “No, this is just another tournament to me, and I will play it the same as any other tournament I participate in”.

    I believe the interviewer was a bit surprised at LD’s answer!
    ..after winning 4 of them...In comparison with Taufik who hasn't even won 1 AE title..

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekong View Post
    For what is worth, I remember in an interview during the 100th AE, LD was being asked whether he felt anything special about it being the 100th AE, and whether he would play extra hard trying to win it. LDs reply was, something like, No, this is just another tournament to me, and I will play it the same as any other tournament I participate in.

    I believe the interviewer was a bit surprised at LDs answer!

    Err...he won more than once. To him, that tournament is a piece of cake ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekong View Post
    For what is worth, I remember in an interview during the 100th AE, LD was being asked whether he felt anything special about it being the 100th AE, and whether he would play extra hard trying to win it. LD’s reply was, something like, “No, this is just another tournament to me, and I will play it the same as any other tournament I participate in”.

    I believe the interviewer was a bit surprised at LD’s answer!
    I think Lin Dan's reply said it all. My interpretation is that he wasn't in any way belittling nor elevating any particular tournament or title, just treating it with an even mind so as not to put unnecessary pressure on himself.

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    Interestingly Ive watched a short programme last night about the Chinese veterans for the London Olympics. The first one on is Lin Dan and he singled out 3 players he admired and respected most, not because of their results but their attitude toward badminton.

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    According to Lin Dan they are Hendrawan, Taufik Hidayat and Peter Gade.

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    Only blatant violators of the forum's rules need fear a ban. I trust the rules are fair and just ,and it's for everybody's good. Whether the admin/mods want to implement it strictly or loosely is up to them. If they prefer to err on the side of liberalism and tolerance, so be it.

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    As for lawsuits,if one is accused of a crime, such as cheating,one has an inalienable right to defend oneself by protesting one's innocence,demanding an apology and/or compensation,exacting punishment on the wrongful accuser or suchlike as the rule of law permits unless of course one is guilty of the crime. There is a Chinese proverb that says clear conscience never fears midnight knocking.

    We often hear of the saying - you can run but you cannot hide; let me add,you can hide as in this forum behind the cloak of anonymity but you cannot hide from yourself.

    Finally,it bears repeating that the right to freedom of expression (synonymous with freedom of speech) is not absolute but subject to limitations as with slander,libel,obscenity and incitement to commit a crime, and carries with it special duties and responsibilities when necessary for the rights and reputation of others.

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    The Master replied: "How about 'reciprocity'! Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    Interestingly Ive watched a short programme last night about the Chinese veterans for the London Olympics. The first one on is Lin Dan and he singled out 3 players he admired and respected most, not because of their results but their attitude toward badminton.*According to Lin Dan they are Hendrawan, Taufik Hidayat and Peter Gade.
    Expect to hear PG say some nice words about LD soon. So his best friend, LCW, didn't make the cut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by repentedboy View Post
    Err...he won more than once. To him, that tournament is a piece of cake ?
    So, are you saying, when TH said AE was just another SS, he de-glorified the tournament, just because he had never won it? On the other hand, it was ok for LD to say the same just because he had won it a few times?

    If that is the case, LD ended up losing the 100th AE tournament, so would you consider his statement de-glorified the AE winner of that year, which was LCW?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    Only blatant violators of the forum's rules need fear a ban. I trust the rules are fair and just ,and it's for everybody's good. Whether the admin/mods want to implement it strictly or loosely is up to them. If they prefer to err on the side of liberalism and tolerance, so be it.
    "By liberalism I don't mean the creed of any party or any century. I mean a generosity of spirit, a tolerance of others, an attempt to comprehend otherness, a commitment to the rule of law, a high ideal of the worth and dignity of man, a repugnance for authoritarianism and a love of freedom" [Alan Paton
    Lecture at Yale University]As for lawsuits,if one is accused of a crime, such as cheating,one has an inalienable right to defend oneself by protesting one's innocence,demanding an apology and/or compensation,exacting punishment on the wrongful accuser or suchlike as the rule of law permits unless of course one is guilty of the crime. There is a Chinese proverb that says clear conscience never fears midnight knocking.We often hear of the saying - you can run but you cannot hide; let me add,you can hide as in this forum behind the cloak of anonymity but you cannot hide from yourself.Finally,it bears repeating that the right to freedom of expression (synonymous with freedom of speech) is not absolute but subject to limitations as with slander,libel,obscenity and incitement to commit a crime, and carries with it special duties and responsibilities when necessary for the rights and reputation of others.己所不欲,勿施於人。"What you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others."子貢問曰:有一言而可以終身行之者乎?子曰:其恕乎!己所不欲、勿施於人。Zi Gong [a disciple] asked: "Is there any one word that could guide a person throughout life?"The Master replied: "How about 'reciprocity'! Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." ----- from Analects of Confucius (Kongzi)
    Did you manage to get the mods to ban the blatant violator you obliquely refer to?

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    Hmmph,


    Who is trying to get who to be banned?

    Keep objectivity please. I think one should keep the thread title in mind when posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    Interestingly Ive watched a short programme last night about the Chinese veterans for the London Olympics. The first one on is Lin Dan and he singled out 3 players he admired and respected most, not because of their results but their attitude toward badminton.

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    According to Lin Dan they are Hendrawan, Taufik Hidayat and Peter Gade.
    Lin Dan doesnt respect or admire Lee Chong Wei. He fears him. Simple as that.

    Both are giants of our time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekong View Post
    So, are you saying, when TH said AE was just another SS, he de-glorified the tournament, just because he had never won it? On the other hand, it was ok for LD to say the same just because he had won it a few times?

    If that is the case, LD ended up losing the 100th AE tournament, so would you consider his statement de-glorified the AE winner of that year, which was LCW?

    What I mean to Lin Dan, All England is All England? He thinks winning the 96th,97th is no different to winning the 100th edition. Though I also will disagree with him because winning 100th is actually more meaningful above all.

    Also he won it like ......5 times..., if the tournament is that easy to win, i wouldnt have seen only LD and LCW names in the past decade winners list.

    Cant we see how emotional LCW was when he won it and it was the 100th edition?

    Taufik on the other hand well, he never won it after 12 attempts between 1999 till 2012. For someone who has not won it after literally 12 attempts to say the tournament is just like other ordinary tournament while many players/veterans will disagree with that for sure, I think it's really awkward.

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