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    Quote Originally Posted by Beta2k View Post
    lol? this is just a lame excuse.. if a black card is given it SHALL NEVER be pulled back. even if the decision is wrong maybe. but it should never be allowed to pull such a decision back. from now on each card (yellow, red, black) may be pulled back? this is a joke. and "he knew something was up"? i think the crowd not enjoying the game was not the only indicator for the things which were going on...

    yes, true that! this is ridiculous.
    It is ridiculous, I agree! If it's given, it shouldn't be held back. But what saw of the events was that it was given by someone who didn't have the authority, then it was given by the tournament referee, but before he could walk off, the coaches saw it, argued and pleaded, and he recinded. It looked to me as if he felt he might have acted too harshly. That's the only way it could have happened. But it never happened in the CHN/KOR match. Warnings were given, same as delay tactics warnings and shouting warnings. But these warnings never resulted in this kind of repremands. The KOR2/INA match was the one with this card issue. IMO, none of them really did anything wrong. But if the BWF wanted to take a stand, they could only really DQ KOR2/INA since they did actually do it already, but taken it back. They can't really let a match finish with warnings, and then all of a sudden, hours later, DQ a pair. I don't believe they have the justification. They made the format, they should have seen this comming. This seems like an abuse of power to me. Play my way, my format, the results that I decide. If that doesn't happen, I ban you. Why doesn't the BWF just decide who gets G S and B then? lol They don't seem happy with the way their format is working out lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by axl886 View Post
    Link for the CHN/KOR debacle of a "match": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmD6...bedded#t=3549s
    if possible, make this video available in "all countries," please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheels04 View Post
    if possible, make this video available in "all countries," please.
    He's not the copyright owner. That'd be the IOC. If he uploaded onto YouTube for all countries, his account will be very quickly terminated. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXazn_romeoXx View Post
    All i can say is that, regardless of the players actions, it's a lose-lose situation for BWF. They have already lost face to the world, and lost respect in our sport. If they ban or repremand the players, our OG will be nothing but semi-finals or finals already. WD would be finished and ruined. But I believe they put themselves in this spot. You dug your own grave by not addressing this earlier, and putting this format out. Magnify that by a prestigious Gold medal at the Olympics, and having the world watch. Sad day for badminton.

    I sympathize for the players though. I don't feel they did anything wrong (out of the rules wise). Ethically and sportsmanship, it's terrible. But I would have/already have done the same thing. Nobody plays a group stage with elimination and not look at potential match ups. It's in human nature to try to gain a result. And I would have done worse for a Gold medal. Sadly, I am human and this is my error. I am not perfect =(
    I do accept the fact that they did not do any wrong, technically... But yes... they have set a very bad example.... Interestingly, I don't think the players wanted to do this... They were only acting on the orders given to them... They were very reluctant... While reading numerous articles on this issue I came across one where the players' behavior during this episode was studied... Apparently among the four (CHN/KOR) players Wang Xiaoli was the most uncomfortable one in trying to lose... It was Yu Yang who was spear heading the act... Yu is the one who has hit more errors among the two. I pity the Koreans who made a very bad decision on a very bad day... they could have just played how they were supposed to and complained to the referee or the BWF... But no... Instead they go for a tit-for-tat and now they paid the price that too a huge one, two teams thrown out... And you know what they all deserved what they have been handed out.... sad but very much deserved...

    The BWF also paid a huge price at the expense of this Sport's Image... I hope from now on they grow some balls and get their act together.... And please... no group format... if possible make it one person per country representation at the Olympics... Who are we kidding any ways the cheats will always find loopholes no matter what you do and how stringent you set the rules and format...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanY View Post
    apparently according to our beloved commentator Gail Ermm the umpire/referees been warned by the coaches beforehand that going to happen during meeting prior to the start
    yes. but all the rules has been laid out by then. it was too late to warn. they should've warned way way before hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahuldarga View Post
    I do accept the fact that they did not do any wrong, technically... But yes... they have set a very bad example.... Interestingly, I don't think the players wanted to do this... They were only acting on the orders given to them... They were very reluctant... While reading numerous articles on this issue I came across one where the players' behavior during this episode was studied... Apparently among the four (CHN/KOR) players Wang Xiaoli was the most uncomfortable one in trying to lose... It was Yu Yang who was spear heading the act... Yu is the one who has hit more errors among the two. I pity the Koreans who made a very bad decision on a very bad day... they could have just played how they were supposed to and complained to the referee or the BWF... But no... Instead they go for a tit-for-tat and now they paid the price that too a huge one, two teams thrown out... And you know what they all deserved what they have been handed out.... sad but very much deserved...

    The BWF also paid a huge price at the expense of this Sport's Image... I hope from now on they grow some balls and get their act together.... And please... no group format... if possible make it one person per country representation at the Olympics... Who are we kidding any ways the cheats will always find loopholes no matter what you do and how stringent you set the rules and format...
    I don't agree.. I don't think neither the Indonesians nor Koreans nor the Japaneese girls had team orders.. They just didn't want to face the Chineese girls in the first match of the playoffs.. It's as simple as that.

    I really think the Chineese girls had the most moral grounds for "WO:in", as this was the ONLY chance for them to maintain the possibility for their country to get two medals in this WD olympics.

    The other team did not have ANY grounds that could be argued morally and from a sportmaship standpoint imop.. the worst I think is the Japaneese girls, that apart from using this tactic to avoid playing the Chineese girls, also destroyed the hopes of medals for the Indian Girls who would have gone trough to the next round if they had not thrown the match against the Taiwan pair.. That is really low from a sportsmasnhip perspective I think.. And those girls even avoided disqualification (only becasue the Tawian girls needed to win and thus didnt stop playin as well, so their acting got a bit easier...)

    my 2 c.

    /T
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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    I don't agree.. I don't think neither the Indonesians nor Koreans nor the Japaneese girls had team orders.. They just didn't want to face the Chineese girls in the first match of the playoffs.. It's as simple as that.

    I really think the Chineese girls had the most moral grounds for "WO:in", as this was the ONLY chance for them to maintain the possibility for their country to get two medals in this WD olympics.

    The other team did not have ANY grounds that could be argued morally and from a sportmaship standpoint imop.. the worst I think is the Japaneese girls, that apart from using this tactic to avoid playing the Chineese girls, also destroyed the hopes of medals for the Indian Girls who would have gone trough to the next round if they had not thrown the match against the Taiwan pair.. That is really low from a sportsmasnhip perspective I think.. And those girls even avoided disqualification (only becasue the Tawian girls needed to win and thus didnt stop playin as well, so their acting got a bit easier...)

    my 2 c.

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    I'm definitely with you here. From now one, it's okay to not try. As long as you, a) win the match, if you're higher seed, or lose the match if you're lower seed, b) not try to make it completely obvious.

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    Thumbs up Obey our Olympians' oath

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    I think many of our our BCers do not understand the difference in the standard set by BWF and IOC.

    BWF: Obey our rules and you shall be OK.

    IOC: Obey our Olympians' oath, which is:

    "In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honor of our teams."

    Read carefully and you will know the difference.

    I am glad that the umpire knows the difference, although the BWF official didn't.
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